On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Takashi Iwai
At Fri, 11 May 2012 17:47:08 +0800, Marguerite Su wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Michael Chang
wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 04:09:08PM +0800, Marguerite Su wrote:
Hi, last night I asked coolo about how to replace input methods in ISOs. he said all I have to do is to make proposal here and cc-ed to related parts like maintianers of those input methods and users interested in.
Here're the names I found from OBS. they're package maintainers. below are their packages and locales.
Me myself: fcitx, hime. zh_CN
hillwood: fcitx zh_CN
swyear: fcitx, ibus, gcin zh_TW
tiwai: mozc, scim jp
ftake: mozc jp
and if everyone feel affected or involved in this issue, please feel free to join.
(because those input methods also support other languages besides CJK, although such support is minor.)
and Here're the packages involved:
scim/ibus: they're the Chinese input methods in the old days.
fcitx/gcin/hime: they're the Chinese input methods in modern Linux.
mozc: it's popular IM in Japan.
of course they're both for Linux, and both open source works.
and the situation is, when I freshly installed openSUSE, the first thing I do is uninstall those old-time input methods and install new ones. so I wonder if this situation is common, and if it is common, why not replace them by default instead of leaving works to our users?
so I made a survey: https://docs.google.com/a/marguerite.su/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDdoMmU...
and posted on G+, forums. the temporary result I've got is this situation is common in Chinese Community.
(tiwai or ftake, can you please translate to Japanese and spread it out to Japanese Community?)
(since we do not have active Korean developers here, so no way to hear from them. so only C and J here.)
and my proposal is:
1. drop scim/ibus from DVD/CD. (they're really old and react slow to bugs and have famous bugs) 2. add fcitx/gcin/mozc in. (hime is just another fork of gcin. it's another issue, it has a small user database)
so guys what do you think?
Isn't gcin older than scim ?
I'm not a fans of scim (although now I'm using it). We can retire it (not defalt) as it's upstream seems dead (or in zombie state) for a long time.
Thanks, Michael
yes, older, but still active.
its developer even fight with hime developer on forums, XD.
he's in his 40s and seems to be developing gcin in his 20s.
I think it's like "career" to him now, "hard to forget and drop." -- from original fcitx developer.
to scim, I know its developer, same family name as mine, "苏哲", "philosophy su" from Mainland China, he's now interesting in other things but still in IM field, he's making upstream of input methods like word split from sentence. even lack of maintenance for scim.
Heh, James once worked at SUSE while he developed SCIM :)
Wow, seems every famous one worked us for a while. and another Su is rocking you again...if I could.
so its really time to let scim retire as him.
Well, we need to think of two things: A. Dropping the package completely from distribution (can live in M17N repo, though) B. Just drop from DVD C. Drop "Provides" tag not to install automatically in addition to B.
I suppose C is a good option for now. More aggresive option, A, is also possible, but a bit more care for the migration.
A is not possible, since still so many CJK projects provide support for scim, like libpinyin, libgooglepinyin, sunpinyin. It seems Jame's still rocking and scim still has some loyal users. maybe not here right now. but it'll be easier when they wanna have a try of openSUSE. I also think C is the best.
Takashi
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