On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:38:57 +0530, Jos Poortvliet <jos@opensuse.org> wrote:
Some Devs don't want any input or contact with the users at all. It's up to the users to moderate the list and suggest people refrain from certain things. The devs can't be allowed to be isolated from all user input. Actually, I disagree. We've got a number of packagers who work diligently on certain packages but otherwise do not engage much if anything with others. I'm all for *encouraging* them to be more communicative but I strongly oppose *forcing* them. As long as devs abide by our code of conduct/guiding principles we have no right to tell them what to do. We're still a *do-ocracy* and it's the work that counts, not the talking.
If they don't like that its a personal problem not a list problem. Well, if people *who do work* walk away because of too much noise (often perceived to be coming from those who *don't do the work*, true or not) it is *openSUSE* which has a problem. Let's get this straight: I'd much rather have 10 people maintaining packages who don't communicate than 100 people 'contributing their opinion' on this list. As I've said before - ideas are cheap, opinions are cheap, talk is cheap. Packaging work is not.
i completely agree that those who do the work should be the ones deciding what happens on this list. at the same time, interaction with users can help, specially if they're of the more knowledgable type, and don't tend to go on week-long rants that can't be stopped until board members get excited. i don't really remember who the driving forces were behind the last few flame wars i've seen here, but there should be a way to stop this from happening. moderating the list isn't a good idea since it stiffles not only bad stuff, but everything, and having yet another list would make everything more confusing. what about a different type of moderation, where some 'senior' and trusted members have the ability to ban certain people from posting for a limited period, couple weeks or even months, if they don't react to friendly advice? this should probably be applied to non-dev.s mainly, since those doing the work have earned the right for a bit mis-behavior once in a while -- we're all human, after all. but people who aren't really productive should feel a bit less free to express their moods on a list that's meant for work, as opposed to the general user list or offtopic. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org