Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (564 mails)

[Sebastian Freundt <freundt@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx> writes:

> Am Mittwoch, 28. Dezember 2011, 02:33:56 schrieb Joachim Schrod:
> > I don't know what Sebastian expects -- I would have had expected an
> > attitude that doesn't call for removal of sysvinit while there are
> > such bugs, directly after a release that didn't even had a working
> > postfix.
>
> Are you sure there were never bugs in an openSUSE release that caused 
> services 
> not to start? According to your logic any of those would have indicated that 
> systemv is utterly broken and must not be shipped as default.
>
> The RFC is for the next release. I do not see how starting it later would be 
> any better regarding pointing out bugs and fixing them. In fact, if the 
> testing of systemd would have got the attention from those complaining now at 
> this stage and during the development cycle of the 12.1 release a lot more 
> bugs would have been fixed already.

Well personally I was under the impression that 12.1 is fit for production
use, only to find out it isn't, or to be less polemic, only to advise my
risk managers that *I* think it isn't.

I, as a user, certainly can't be asked to continuously assess everything
that happens during the development cycle.  I was instead assuming that
the opensuse developers took a look at the upstream bug situation and
tried some of those scenarios themselves, at least the not-too-specific
ones.


> > I also wouldn't have had expected an attitude that uses the
> > question "where are the bug numbers?" to squash discussion, and
> > then complains when there are bug numbers cited. Especially when
> > the complaints include wrong assertions. (That Sebastian opened one
> > of those bugs last week doesn't imply that all of his bugs are from
> > last week.)
>
> It does imply that if bugs are not reported they cannot get fixed. And it 
> does 
> imply that reporting bugs just before Christmas holidays will unlikely lead 
> to 
> them getting fixed within a week on the openSUSE part. Sounds reasonable to 
> me.

So what's the official policy here?  Do you want all the bugs from the
upstream tracker that apply to opensuse in the novell tracker?

Sebastian

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