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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Human readable, what is that? (was [12.1] massive data loss in /var/tmp/)
- From: Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:27:39 +0100
- Message-id: <4080527.hTEBgtFS2m@linux-ydd0.site>
Am Mittwoch, 28. Dezember 2011, 02:33:56 schrieb Joachim Schrod:
Are you sure there were never bugs in an openSUSE release that caused services
not to start? According to your logic any of those would have indicated that
systemv is utterly broken and must not be shipped as default.
The RFC is for the next release. I do not see how starting it later would be
any better regarding pointing out bugs and fixing them. In fact, if the
testing of systemd would have got the attention from those complaining now at
this stage and during the development cycle of the 12.1 release a lot more
bugs would have been fixed already.
It does imply that if bugs are not reported they cannot get fixed. And it does
imply that reporting bugs just before Christmas holidays will unlikely lead to
them getting fixed within a week on the openSUSE part. Sounds reasonable to
me.
Indeed, polemic emails lead to a more aggressive tone and thus nobody should
have introduced any polemic statements or subjective comments but just bug
numbers and issues in a neutral and objective and technical manner.
An attitude that accuses somebody who is actually doing a lot of work on
fixing bugs of having the wrong attitude seems questionable to me.
Face it, systemv will be gone at some point and the only useful thing you can
do to help is report and fix bugs. Endless discussions do not help improving
anything.
Sven
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I don't know what Sebastian expects -- I would have had expected an
attitude that doesn't call for removal of sysvinit while there are
such bugs, directly after a release that didn't even had a working
postfix.
Are you sure there were never bugs in an openSUSE release that caused services
not to start? According to your logic any of those would have indicated that
systemv is utterly broken and must not be shipped as default.
The RFC is for the next release. I do not see how starting it later would be
any better regarding pointing out bugs and fixing them. In fact, if the
testing of systemd would have got the attention from those complaining now at
this stage and during the development cycle of the 12.1 release a lot more
bugs would have been fixed already.
I also wouldn't have had expected an attitude that uses the
question "where are the bug numbers?" to squash discussion, and
then complains when there are bug numbers cited. Especially when
the complaints include wrong assertions. (That Sebastian opened one
of those bugs last week doesn't imply that all of his bugs are from
last week.)
It does imply that if bugs are not reported they cannot get fixed. And it does
imply that reporting bugs just before Christmas holidays will unlikely lead to
them getting fixed within a week on the openSUSE part. Sounds reasonable to
me.
But obviously, these expectations have been wrong.
Indeed, polemic emails lead to a more aggressive tone and thus nobody should
have introduced any polemic statements or subjective comments but just bug
numbers and issues in a neutral and objective and technical manner.
An attitude that accuses somebody who is actually doing a lot of work on
fixing bugs of having the wrong attitude seems questionable to me.
Face it, systemv will be gone at some point and the only useful thing you can
do to help is report and fix bugs. Endless discussions do not help improving
anything.
Sven
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