On 14/11/11 02:57, Brian K. White wrote:
On 11/13/2011 5:12 PM, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Ne 13. November 2011, 18:52:18 CET, Per Jessen wrote:
Nah, systemd brings lots of useful features - you guys are just being reactionary and opposed to progress. :-)
No, I'm certainly not opposed to progress as such. But the progress must bring something positive. I welcomed udev, I've been using iproute2 since the days most Linux users didn't know it existed (well, maybe most don't even today but that's another story).
On the other hand, I criticized zmd in 10.1, I criticized having KDE4 as default when it was far from ready and I do criticize having systemd now because it is about as ready as KDE4 was when it first appeared in OpenSuSE. It is buggy, it is poorly documented, configuration is much more complicated, it makes diagnostic of the boot process harder. What does it give me? A bit faster boot (or maybe only makes it look faster). I'm sorry, I can't see this as a good deal. And unlike with KDE4, most of the problems are not going to disappear. Bugs will be fixed eventually, documentation is going to be written but complicated configuration, complicated diagnostic and incompatibility with third party projets will stay.
I'm sure the systemd home page will provide a full summary of it's goals.
Without even having looked at their home page I already know it makes it possible to express lots more accurate and dynamic start/stop dependencies and procedures for subsystems.
Don't be like what Ford said about what users want. If he had asked people what they wanted they wouldn't have said motor cars, they'd have said faster horses.
Cars are a huge downgrade from horses in many ways. They don't reproduce themselves, they can't drive themselves safely with you asleep or drunk, or missing altogether. They can't climb mountain trails and jump fenses. They don't come to you automatically when you whistle. You get speeding tickets in them but never on a horse. You don't have to dig horse fuel out of the ground on the other side of the planet and protect it with wars and then boil it in huge stills and then be super careful not to let it catch fire or explode the whole time it's being stored and used. You can't get a speeding ticket on a horse. Horses don't need paved roads and toxic substances in general. Dead horses enrich the environment. Dead cars accumulate in huge ugly toxic junk yards. All your saddles and horseshoes and stables are incompatible. Also all the poor people with jobs in any of the related support industries.
I agree, it, and opensuse's implementation of it, has issues still. That's just a reason to delay using it outside of testing and development, not a reason to consider it a bad goal altogether.
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