Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (1578 mails)

[Michal Kubeček <mkubecek@xxxxxxx>]

On Monday 14 of November 2011, Brian K. White wrote:
> On 11/13/2011 5:12 PM, Michal Kubecek wrote:
> I'm sure the systemd home page will provide a full summary of it's
> goals.

I've read it. I read several articles about it. When you look through 
the big words and phrases, there is nothing. Nothing else than (maybe) a 
bit faster boot which is payed for by great complexity (leading to more 
complicated configuration and diagnostic) and incompatibility with 
third-party projects; some of them not developed primarily for Linux and 
some not developed with Linux in mind at all; their developers are not 
going to automatically accept the "the way you've been doing it until 
now is wrong, rewrite your daemons not to be daemons".

> Without even having looked at their home page I already know it makes
> it possible to express lots more accurate and dynamic start/stop
> dependencies and procedures for subsystems.

Nice example of those phrases I mentioned above. What does this 
"dynamic" really mean? On one hand, unnecessary complexity, complicated 
configuration, difficulties with diagnostic. On the other hand, maybe 
few seconds of boot time. On some computers, I boot once a day (twice if 
there is a kernel update), on others every two weeks, on some every two 
or three months. On none of them, few seconds of boot time matter.

> Don't be like what Ford said about what users want. If he had asked
> people what they wanted they wouldn't have said motor cars, they'd
> have said faster horses.

Cars had issues but they had potential. This is in fact analogy of KDE4 
- it was in very bad shape when it appeared but it was clear from the 
beginning that it will be better than KDE3 one day (and I never said 
KDE4 was bad as such - I ony criticized that it was made default too 
early and that KDE3 was removed too early). With systemd, this is not 
the case. It tries to solve an artificially overrated problem and does 
more harm than good. Even if the problems with documentation and bugs 
are solved one day, the rest is to stay. And these intrinsic problems 
are enough to outweight the few seconds of boot time you get.

                                                          Michal Kubeček
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