Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (1578 mails)

[Rüdiger Meier <sweet_f_a@xxxxxx>]

On Sunday 13 November 2011, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Sunday 13 November 2011 03:51:23 Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > On Sunday, 2011-11-13 at 03:04 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > > > Could you - just for testing - try using kdm instead, and see if
> > > > "init 3" behaves as it should then? I kind of suspect it will
> > >
> > > Ugh. It is a very small setup inside Vmware Player. Kdm brings a
> > > lot of packages... Ok, I'll do it.
> > >
> > > Now it is 02:56. It will take time to download.
> >
> > Almost 400MB compressed. Now it is 3:49.
> > But you were right, with KDM it works. I tried a dozen times.
>
> That's good to hear. That means it's a bug in gdm, which doesn't
> surprise me.

Systemd claims to have special gnome support. Probably it's a feature 
that init 3 don't stop it.

> As for understanding systemd, I don't understand it at all. I've
> spent the past few hours trying to understand how the display manager
> is launched in the first place, and I haven't been able to find
> anything.

That's a feature too. The usual user don't want to understand it so 
nobody should understand it.

> I know this much: /etc/init.d/rc is still being used, so the
> runlevels are still started the old fashioned way, at least for most
> things, and kdm is started through the standard /etc/init.d/xdm
> script.
>
> What I don't know: where rc is run from. I cannot find this, or any
> reference to it or inittab anywhere in the systemd source code, or in
> any of the configuration files.

IMO it's a shame that experienced *nix users need to reverse engineer 
such simple tasks. Systemd is broken by design.


> It should mean though that your old way of adding services will still
> work
>
> I have also seen that systemd runs everything in parallel, and there
> is no apparent way of disabling that, which worries me a little,
> since RUN_PARALLEL=yes is the source of many problems and setting it
> to no is a very frequent solution (or at least workaround). If this
> is no longer available, I wonder what will happen.

Yup, patching startpar into sysvinit was also a huge mistake.


cu,
Rudi
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