On Thursday 10 November 2011, Lars Müller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 02:21:21PM +0100, Ruediger Meier wrote:
Yes, unfortuantely most people don't see that this feature comparison http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html is as funny/stupid as this one http://i.imgur.com/usftZ.png
I'm sure Lennart and Key will be proud of this. ;)
Seriously watching both pictures says more than the most other discussions about sysvinit vs. systemd I've seen so far.
My slogan would be like this "If you need a Windows/Ubuntu replacement then opensuse is not for you. Opensuse is a unix like distro for ambitious users, developers and admins - not as conservative as Debian Woody and not as "up-to-date" as Fedora. It's not made for people who have read about Linux in Computer Bild only so far."
[...] While reading the first line of your suggestion again I musts state that I'm not really happy with it. I myself never would do what I'm now doing and love to do and I came from the Microsoft world. Came? Well, I'm still in it.
You don't look like the usual windows/ubuntu user which I'd like to address and which I'd like to keep out of my favourite distro.
And the users of Microsoft systems - 98.68% of all deployed systems are using it; maybe even a bit more - is what I consider most attractive.
The Problem is if we make all these 98.68% really happy with opensuse then I will be unhappy whith it and I guess you and many others would be unhappy too. This is because of the same reason why you can't make ComputerBILD readers happy with another newspaper you'd like to read yourself. You would need to make a similar crap newspaper to take over the BILD readers. Moreover and even worse there will be always more people who like BILD style more than "good" style thus you will loose any voting about the fundamental style decision.
- many got frustrated by the quality Microsoft delivered in the past - many are unhappy with the former default web browser - many are unhappy having no word processor and spreadsheet app available by default - feel free to add 100 more good reasons
Yes, and all these reasons are suitable to argue for not repeating the same design decisions like Microsoft did. Using Poettering designed software for the process with PID 1 and father of the whole userspace is IMO a huge mistake.
BTW mission statement sounds a bit like at the beginning of this century. Why do we need such crap anyhow at all?
Because this would be UNIX like. Define some standards and try hard to follow them. So if Discussions about particual things are getting hot then it helps a lot to point to the well defined standards to clear up things finally. This unix way has shown in past that it's the most substantial way.
Since ages the main motivation to use a SUSE based system is written down in /etc/motd :)
Yup fun is the most important thing for me too. Unfortunately there is no ISO standard and not even an RFC about what is fun at all :). cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org