On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 01:20:40PM -0500, Brian K. White wrote:
On 11/10/2011 6:59 AM, Lars Müller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:47:40AM +0100, Rüdiger Meier wrote:
On Wednesday 09 November 2011, Brian K. White wrote:
It not our fault for needing to prevent these things, it's the distros fault for being so thoughtlessly assembled that we have to go through such contortions just to get installed.
Thoughtlessly assembled? Sucking community I have to reply. Fix it! This is the opensuse-factory list. It's not leading, this is bleeding edge. You don't have enough blood? Fix it by getting a blood bottle.
Either that or suse should just stop all pretense of being a suitable OS for servers.
openSUSE is a community project. See my longer recent mail with Message-id:<20111109170951.GE4977@giles.fritz.box>
@Brian: Read this message two or three times please before you reply fast and cause more unproductive noise on this openSUSE driving forward list.
Interesting to see people complaining loud and with high frequency on mailing lists but not being able or willing to feed bugzilla and openFATE.
I am not the one who missed something here.
Sure. You never miss anything. ;) Only to use bugzilla to report bugs and to use openFATE to file feature requests. I strongly suggest you to read Karl Fogel's 'producing open source software' book. Then you might get a clue why tools are important to a project. Feel free to check in particular chapter 3 'Technical Infrastructure' section 'Bug Tracker'. In our case the statements there apply to bugzilla and openFATE. After reading your mail a second time I now believe what's going wrong here. You wrote about SUSE while we're here at openSUSE. You expect from openSUSE what SUSE Linux Enterprise offers. "Oh, no, that's not for free, that's not downloadable!" It is! But you have to pay for the service offerings. If you still prefer to go with openSUSE but don't like to participate in the development I suggest to stay away from the factory list. Maybe one of the more general openSUSE list fits better to your needs. "Why should I? It's my good right to speak up!" Sure. But have you ever had an eye on the overview http://lists.opensuse.org/ provides? What's stated there about Factory? "Discussions about the development of the next openSUSE version". Here we're and it's clearly not the general complain playground. With all the available SUSE Linux Enterprise variations I'm sure a partner or reseller is more likly able to satisfy your demanding needs. While counting openSUSE a bad deal I'm not able to see what's your part of the contract? What does the project get back from you? Well, till now most of the time, in particular on this list, I've seen long, long, long more or less distracting complains. In the bugtracker there isn't much input from you too. Honestly I would love to see you spending all the energy you spend on long threads on actual issues we all have with openSUSE. The tools and the means are setup, ready, and waiting for your input. Thanks for your broad, long, and good suggestions. Unfortunately they do not fit to the requirements and needs of this list. That's why I'm suggest to end the thread at this point. Cheers Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany