On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 02:21:21PM +0100, Ruediger Meier wrote:
On Thursday 10 November 2011, Lars Müller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:47:40AM +0100, Rüdiger Meier wrote:
12.1 will still have sysvinit. Unfortunately it will replace sysvinit on upgrades.Bugzilla got informed about this. bnc#725917 Many people like the most recent commenter don't get why this is bad if not the wrong behavior.
Yes, unfortuantely most people don't see that this feature comparison http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html is as funny/stupid as this one http://i.imgur.com/usftZ.png
I'm sure Lennart and Key will be proud of this. ;)
See for example here http://en.opensuse.org/Main_Page "It is aimed towards users and developers working on the desktop or server. It is great for beginners, experienced users and ultra geeks alike, in short, it is perfect for everybody!"
Yeah, that's blurbing and boring to me too. But hey, enhance it! Make it fit better!
IMO the whole statement is not really true. "perfect for everybody" is not true for sure! It should be rewritten without advertising affectations but to represent the real project objective.
We as the openSUSE community are waiting for your contribution. Make it sound good while not being boring. Make it sound to invite further people while not excluding all the old users. I'm sure you soon will join the openSUSE maeketing team and then the baby will fligh high. ;)
Hehe, I would more like to see a general mission statement which the marketing team (and packagers) had to respect.
My slogan would be like this "If you need a Windows/Ubuntu replacement then opensuse is not for you. Opensuse is a unix like distro for ambitious users, developers and admins - not as conservative as Debian Woody and not as "up-to-date" as Fedora. It's not made for people who have read about Linux in Computer Bild only so far."
I'm in doubt it would be accepted without reference to a similar offical mission statement.
Why not? The only bigger issue I see is the reference to the Bild trash news paper which might be only known in German speaking areas and Mallorca. Most people don't like a statement which compares directly to other Linux vendors. I never got why this is a no go. To me this is a value to a potential user which has already some background and own, idependent experience in the Linux world. While reading the first line of your suggestion again I musts state that I'm not really happy with it. I myself never would do what I'm now doing and love to do and I came from the Microsoft world. Came? Well, I'm still in it. And the users of Microsoft systems - 98.68% of all deployed systems are using it; maybe even a bit more - is what I consider most attractive. - many got frustrated by the quality Microsoft delivered in the past - many are unhappy with the former default web browser - many are unhappy having no word processor and spreadsheet app available by default - feel free to add 100 more good reasons These users I like to offer an easy to use and reliable alternative. The biggest issue I see with all, or most, and in particular openSUSE is a missing focus. That's what Apple and Shuttleworth¹ are doing quite well. But hey, you all are the community. The openSUSE community drives this project. If I don't like how it works that's my view. If the majority is happy how it works then it's how it is. But the way we're moving forward - and sometimes even side and backwards - currently I'm sure we'll not improve the quality of the resulting release significantly. And as I count me as a part of this community I speak up and strongly suggest to consider these thoughts if the openSUSE project again is looking for a mission statement. Or to improve and change the current one. BTW mission statement sounds a bit like at the beginning of this century. Why do we need such crap anyhow at all? Since ages the main motivation to use a SUSE based system is written down in /etc/motd :) Lars ¹ independent of the political OSS issue(s) I see -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany