On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:47:40AM +0100, Rüdiger Meier wrote:
On Wednesday 09 November 2011, Brian K. White wrote:
It not our fault for needing to prevent these things, it's the distros fault for being so thoughtlessly assembled that we have to go through such contortions just to get installed.
Thoughtlessly assembled? Sucking community I have to reply. Fix it! This is the opensuse-factory list. It's not leading, this is bleeding edge. You don't have enough blood? Fix it by getting a blood bottle.
Either that or suse should just stop all pretense of being a suitable OS for servers.
openSUSE is a community project. See my longer recent mail with Message-id: <20111109170951.GE4977@giles.fritz.box> @Brian: Read this message two or three times please before you reply fast and cause more unproductive noise on this openSUSE driving forward list. Interesting to see people complaining loud and with high frequency on mailing lists but not being able or willing to feed bugzilla and openFATE.
I'd really like to see such statement about this to be written down somewhere. Maybe there should be a voting about it but I guess it's hard to get a useful voting if all the ubuntu users would be able to participate.
Mostly I'm happy with suse since very long time but if I remember all these gui, branding, *-kit, avahi, ... dependency hell last years I got more and more in doubt about the suitability for servers. Now with systemd it gets even worse.
12.1 will still have sysvinit. Unfortunately it will replace sysvinit on upgrades. Bugzilla got informed about this. bnc#725917 Many people like the most recent commenter don't get why this is bad if not the wrong behavior. Regarding the branding packages all got said as part of this thread. See Seifes statement for example or my previous one.
See for example here http://en.opensuse.org/Main_Page "It is aimed towards users and developers working on the desktop or server. It is great for beginners, experienced users and ultra geeks alike, in short, it is perfect for everybody!"
Yeah, that's blurbing and boring to me too. But hey, enhance it! Make it fit better!
IMO the whole statement is not really true. "perfect for everybody" is not true for sure! It should be rewritten without advertising affectations but to represent the real project objective.
We as the openSUSE community are waiting for your contribution. Make it sound good while not being boring. Make it sound to invite further people while not excluding all the old users. I'm sure you soon will join the openSUSE maeketing team and then the baby will fligh high. ;) Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany