Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (1564 mails)

[Ken Schneider - openSUSE <suse-list3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 11/08/2011 11:10 PM, Brian K. White pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
> On 11/8/2011 3:33 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 08, 2011 01:38:23 Felix Miata wrote:
> > > Not quite that bad, but way too many for an RC2.
> > >
> > > Many KDE base packages apparently depend on bootsplash, many more than
> > > in previous KDE releases, which, along with splashy, I taboo on every
> > > install.
> > >
> > > Grub failed to finish installing. I booted 11.4 and finished it myself
> > > with the Grub shell. Menu.lst had two copies of the default stanza,
> > > non-identical, besides a useless HD stanza and two failsafes.
> > >
> > > Startx as root failed even after fixing permissions.local and doing
> > > 'SuSEconfig --module permissions'. How it failed I couldn't tell. It
> > > appeared the default X session was icewm, and it gave some wacko lack
> > > of space error, then shut down after I clicked OK, the only thing on
> > > the screen to click.
> > >
> > > AllowRootLogin=true in kdmrc was apparently ignored (once it could be
> > > found squirreled away somewhere in the /usr rats nest instead of
> > > logically where config files belong in /etc), so getting into KDE via
> > > runlevel 5 was initially impossible, since I create no users on test
> > > systems, and even when not test systems I only create users after
> > > base installation is complete in order to assign user and group IDs
> > > appropriately to match all the other installed distros on the system.
> > >
> > > Too many failed deps to remember, most probably based upon taboo of
> > > *kde*branding-openSUSE and *splash*.
> >
> > So, you're doing something outside the normal way. Please fix it
> > yourself. Fixes to packages are welcome but I doubt anybody will help
> > debugging all this,
>
> Typically unhelpful suse answer of the last few years.
>
> Requiring those splash programs without some clear and sure way to
> ensure that they never try to touch the video hardware is broken.
>
> The safe mode boot options are not the answer for this either. It's
> already too late to even select them by the time gfxboot has killed the
> console or worse.
>
> It's like this: if you want to say that it's the users responsibility to
> fix opensuse bugs and develop opensuse enhancements, then why should the
> user use opensuse in the first place?
Brian,

You just do not get it! openSuSE is provided with a specified set of 
packages that need to be from the "official repos" _only_ AND package 
dependencies need to be adhered to. If the person installing the distro 
doesn't want to follow these simple guidelines then they are on their 
own. There is no magic here.

If anyone doesn't like the way the openSuSE is assembled they are free 
to create their own distribution.



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Ken Schneider
SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998
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