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Re: [opensuse-factory] harping on the "SUSE controls openSUSE" crap.
- From: Robert Schweikert <rjschwei@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:23:35 -0400
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On 10/25/2011 02:47 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Robert Schweikert wrote:
OK, after a number of years where we have worked really hard to hand
control of the project to the community and have opened a lot of tools
and processes to the community you still are harping on the "SUSE
controls openSUSE" crap. This ticks me off big time.
It's surely a fact nonetheless. Are you disputing that?
Yes I am.
There are very
few (if any) mechanisms for the community at large to make community
What kind of mechanisms are you looking for? For what decisions do we need these mechanisms?
Perhaps openSUSE isn't controlled by SUSE, but it certainly
isn't controlled by the community either:
Well "someone" made the decision to have KDE as the default desktop, and "someone" made the decision about the new numbering scheme, and "someone" made the decision about the release cycle, and .....
I'll give you a hint, these decisions were not made by SUSE.
We don't yet have a foundation,
That has nothing to do with the direction of the project. I am not sure why everyone thinks that having a foundation will be this "great liberating event". As far as I am concerned there will be a bunch of problems that the community has to deal with that we do not have today. Any volunteer for a treasurer yet? Any volunteers to do fund raising? There's a whole list that Alan is working on for things the community will have to take over once we have a foundation. I am not sure people are aware of all if these things nor am I certain we as a community have the volunteers to do all the work.
Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to having a foundation, however, there's a big ball of administrative crap work rolling towards the community and I am not sure we are prepared to deal with it.
many key "community" positions are
(apparently) occupied by SUSE staff. We can't even get an official
list of who is staff and who isn't (a while ago I asked about an
organigramm and only got given a long run-around by Andreas Jaeger).
Well, I think the org chart of SUSE is not the business of the community, and in the end what is the difference if SUSE pays 1, 10, or 20 people to work on openSUSE full time. The project and the community benefits from the contribution.
Why is it so hard to just treat us, the SUSE employees as regular community members?
Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU
SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX
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