Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (955 mails)

[Kim Leyendecker <leyendecker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Am 25.10.2011 20:22, schrieb Robert Schweikert:
> On 10/25/2011 02:16 PM, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
> > Am 25.10.2011 19:50, schrieb Ilya Chernykh:
> > > On Tuesday 25 October 2011 21:16:22 Kim Leyendecker wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > IMHO KDE3 should not be part of the main release, for reasons I
> > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread, but should be promoted in the
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > notes in a "Community" section thereof.
> > > > >
> > > > > community section sound good to me. Jos, others, any objections?
> > > Tell me if I am wrong, but all of openSUSE is community project,
> > > that's why
> > > I see no reason to separate KDE3 community project from the rest of
> > > openSUSE
> > > community project.
> > >
> > > If you place it into "community" section in the release notes, this
> > > would look like the
> > > rest of the distro is not by community, which is wrong.
> >
> > Well, openSUSE´s still mainly driven by SUSE, right?
>
> NO !!!!
>
> > It´s more about
> > that *you* support KDE3 in your spare time, you´re don´t getting money
> > for it (or do you?). It´s a hobby for you. Whereas the KDE4 guys get
> > support right from SUSE (Will is working for SUSE, other team members
> > also)
>
> That doesn't count. Will and others ate SUSE are members of the
> community just like everyone else. However, what does matter is that the
> current technology is KDE4 and there is no upstream community that
> supports KDE3 in the way the Ilya maintains the KDE3 project.
>
> > Of course, openSUSE is a community project but until there isn´t a
> > foundation, it´s still a part of SUSE (which is wrong again, It will
> > stay a part with the foundation also because SUSE will stay pay there
> > "project workers".)
>
> OK, after a number of years where we have worked really hard to hand
> control of the project to the community and have opened a lot of tools
> and processes to the community you still are harping on the "SUSE
> controls openSUSE" crap. This ticks me off big time.
>
> If SUSE would control openSUSE then openSUSE might not have KDE as the
> default desktop as this is certainly not in the best interest for SLE,
> which uses GNOME as the default desktop. Having KDE as a default desktop
> was a community decision, no control by SUSE was asserted.
>
> Yes, a number of SUSE employees get paid to work on openSUSE as their
> full time job. However, there are many more SUSE employees that do not
> get paid to work on openSUSE full time. We do this because we like the
> project and the community and work on openSUSE mostly in our spare time.

Okay, maybe I expressed myself false. Very false. Of course SUSE isn´t 
"control" openSUSE. It´s a *community* project.

I just meant that what Sven wrote a post ago. Nothing more. Nothing 
about SUSE´s controlling the project (BTW, "control" sounds to me like 
there dictating the way we (the community) have to drive the project, 
which *IS* *NOT* the case.)

Sorry, I guess my post was misunderstand due to a failed expression...

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