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Re: [opensuse-factory] KPackageKit's purpose
- From: "Tim Edwards" <tkedwards@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:01:20 +0200
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On Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:43 PM, "Steven Sroka"
On 9 October 2011 10:19, todd rme <toddrme2178@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Rajko M. <rmatov101@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:31:13 PM Steven Sroka wrote:
I was just reading over some threads on this list and noticed a few
things here and there about KPackageKit. I understand that it was
included by default in 11.4 because the Update Applet was
unmaintained, but isn't Yast2 Installer perfectly able to do updates?
Was KPackageKit needed just because Yast doesn't remind users about
Which cron job can do perfectly without buggy KPackageKit (KPK).
My complains from the time I used it:
1) KPK can't finish transactions, or not in time comparable to zypper or
As background process, that should not slow down computer without notifying
that is running, it can be understandable that makes it slower, but hanging
forever and blocking package management is annoying.
2) It is sometimes stuck completely in endless repetition of updates that
3) It wakes up on its own, much more often then it is set, and blocks
or yast. I can tolerate clash with KPK once a day, but not 4-5 times a day.
Not reading its own configuration makes it uncontrollable annoyance.
4) It is set to make all updates, not only security. This is convenient for
lazy boys, but it is stupid as in case of problems pile of software that
has to check is bigger.
I had these problems before, but since I switched to apper all of them
seem to have disappeared.
I completely forgot about Apper :(
In case anyone is interested Apper is supposed to be the newly
reworked version of KPK:
Any chance that this will make it into 12.1?
IMHO we're a bit stuck for a decent updater at the moment. Some of us
(me included) just drop a script in cron.daily to run zypper up, but
this is no good for most users. Neither is having to remember to
manually open up YAST->Online Update every day a good solution for
On the other hand KPackageKit is automatic and pre-configured, as an
updater should be, and adds the useful feature of warning users when
they need to restart applications or reboot. (With my cron'ed zypper up
script I just put up with the fact that running programs, especially
firefox, might start failing in strange ways due to a new version
completely replacing the old while it was running).
But the KpackageKit version shipped with 11.4 is not fit for purpose (to
put it nicely).
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