Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (956 mails)

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On Sunday, October 02, 2011 03:45:55 PM C wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 15:35, Markus Slopianka <markus.s@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 09:18:33 C wrote:
> > > There seems to be no movement on getting it fixed from the upstream
> > > KDE side (if the bug comments are to be believed).  Is there anything
> > > "we" can do to correct it?  Is it worth opening an openSUSE bug
> > > against it? (I'm guessing not, but worth asking)
> >
> > Well, actually upstream is moving. All Plasma widgets are currently in
> > the process of being completely rewritten using QML – including the
> > taskbar. See https://viranchmehta.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/
>
> Nice.  There is a lot happening in the KDE development world :-) The
> improvements we are seeing on the user-land side of things are really
> noticeable lately.
>
> > So unless bugs are huge showstoppers, I don't think it's worth to fix
> > old code.
> Fair enough.  It's frustrating to see openSUSE 12.1 being released
> almost the same time as the 4.8 betas (sometime in November).. knowing
> the fixes are in the 4.8 branch, and seeing the very obvious visual
> bugs in the 4.7 release.  This particular bug is ugly and annoying -
> and it really is one that new users pick up on right away.
>
> > In the meantime there are alternative taskbars for Plasma. The one I use
> > is Fancy Tasks:
> > http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fancy+Tasks?content=99737
> > It's in openSUSE's repos. I have configured it to be almost exactly like
> > the default taskbar with the single exception that Fancy Tasks allows
> > disabling window switching via mouse wheel.
>
> OK, that's nice and all... but it's not what we are apparently
> shipping.  We are shipping a KDE4 with a very visible known bug that
> most users will encounter in their day to day use.  This is not
> something that affects only a small group of users.
>
> My question is, what can we do to fix it?  Is there something that one
> of the openSUSE KDE wizards can patch on the 4.7 release we will ship?
>  It's not a show stopper, but it's ugly and right there in front of
> every user who will try out KDE4 on 12.1.  I'm sure that the reviewers
> will pick up on it right away.  Something small like this can make our
> 12.1 release look rather sloppy :-(
>
> C.
I have to agree with your comment about sloppy software. I can name at least a 
dozen software and hardware companies that no longer exixt because they went 
by rhe schedule instead of is the product ready.

I realize this is not a company enviroment but we are still tring to convert 
people from MS to Linux (specifically openSUSE in our case) and these dual 
Icons are not going to help.

I am not a software type, more hardware oriented but I know debugging of the 
software is a major challenge and thats why we used to teacher our Field 
Engineers how to track down software bugs (inthe labs) before systems shipped.

Hopefully this dual Icon issue will be solved before 12.1 ships. 
-- 
Russ
openSUSE 11.4(2.6.37.6-0.7-desktop)|KDE Platform Version 4.7.1 (4.7.1) 
"release 8"|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux-
x86_64-280.13)  

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