Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (1264 mails)

[Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday, September 12, 2011 08:05:33 AM todd rme wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Roger Luedecke
>
> <roger.luedecke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2011 06:41:30 AM Brian K. White wrote:
> > > On 9/10/2011 4:00 PM, John McInnes wrote:
> > > > On 09/09/2011 08:33 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
> > > > > > While I don't care much for that particular bedtime story, others
> > > > > > may well be
> > > > > > offended by biased religious views (even more so if their's
> > > > > > differing).
> > > > >
> > > > > Religious apps? I have no use for them either, and although I'm
> > > > > absolutely atheist and have quite firm and quite unflattering
> > > > > opinions of anyone who actually believes any of that nonsense, or
> > > > > even allows for it's possibility in any real way,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Even though I think a disbelief in any religion is fundamentally
> > > > > different than believing one religion vs another, and would argue
> > > > > that it's perfectly valid to criticize any believer and treat them
> > > > > exactly as you would treat anyone else who has demonstrated that
> > > > > they are insane or incompetent or out of touch in any other way,
> > > >
> > > > So billions of people are insane?
> > > > [revised a few times to be more diplomatic.. ---> ] Hmm but isn't
> > > > Atheism is a religion all its own, with leaders, followers, mantra,
> > > > faith, and yes bigots?? I know some rabid Richard Dawkins followers,
> > > > the irony is always lost on them.
> > > >
> > > > I know this has little to do with opensuse-factory, but I didn't start
> > > > the name calling. Actually this goes much farther then just name
> > > > calling one person..
> > > >
> > > > -johnm
> > >
> > > Those who "believe" can't really do anything else but project their
> > > faith based lack-of-reasoning reasoning on others, thus they don't see
> > > the fundamental distinction between believing in X vs believing in Y vs
> > > not believing in anything.
> > >
> > > They can't understand that it is not required to believe in anything in
> > > order to have structure, process, civilization, ethics/morals, even
> > > hope, even ceremony. They can't even conceive of any other motivation or
> > > explanation for ones actions. They can't explain anyones actions any
> > > other way than to assume that any set of rules anyone follows is just
> > > their religion, no different than any other religion.
> > >
> > > Of course billions of people are insane. The number hardly matters, only
> > > the facts. Billions of people are all human and so of course many have
> > > the same innate weaknesses. At one time everyone "knew" the world was
> > > flat. And they were, every single one, wrong.
> >
> > This is not productive. You are welcome to your views, as is anyone. We
> > do not require anything but technical skill to enable our project goals.
> > We are not a platform for religion, or for anti religious sentiment or
> > propaganda.
>
> I see this sort of comment a lot in the discussion.  What I find
> interesting is that I only see it when an atheist cricizes religion or
> religious people.  When a religious person criticizes atheism or
> atheists no one seems to complain.  You didn't express any problem
> with John McInnes's comment where he disparages all atheists, nor have
> you done so for other people who did the same.  Yet you have
> repeatedly cricized atheists for their lack of civility.
>
> I agree we should be more civil, but I think that this should apply to
> both sides.
>
> -Todd
Absolutely agreed. However, we really just need to cut the crap. Upto now, we 
have all worked together making something amazing. Then sudenly a church 
wants to move Sword over to the factory repo from Education (where it is 
properly classified and placed) and now people can't just stop and take a 
breath. This discussion does not belong here. I can't even find the debate in 
the midst of all the poo slinging from both camps.

FYI: Though I am Hindu and thus religious in most peoples estimation (I only 
use the term for convenience) I am more critical of Atheists because, quite 
frankly I expect better of them. I do not expect that from religious people; I 
anticipate uncivility and hard-headedness and generally choose to ignore it 
since I long ago exhausted myself in futile argumentation with those of blind-
faith.
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