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[opensuse-factory] 12.1 is around the corner, and I must make my concerns known.
- From: Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:20:20 -0700
- Message-id: <201108151220.20549.roger.luedecke@gmail.com>
To the Green Blooded,
The excitement is building as yet another release of our beloved
openSUSE
is just around the corner. This coming release looks as though it may be yet
more exciting than 11.4 was; 11.4 being the distro I run only and place my
clients on as well. Last release was a bit rough around the edges at launch,
and had issues that shook confidence of new users. Though it brought
enormous improvements in speed and stability, I must still worry about the
first experience.
As you most likely will recall, there were several discrepancies and
throwbacks to previous versions that sullied 11.4 upon release. Primarily ones
I noticed were the oddity of the DVD using the old Knetwork Manager as opposed
to the current plasmoid version that was present in the KDE Live CD version.
There was also the matter of the pre 11 series behavior of AppArmor in
blocking Samba; this I found was more pronounced in the DVD install. (To this
day I can't get Samba to work properly in a DVD install.) Since I am not a
developer, and have only a brief familiarity with many of the logistical
issues facing a project of this magnitude I will not offer an immediate
critique. However as an Ambassador I must emphasize that these sort of
anomalies, no matter how technically minor will shake the confidence of
someone trying the new release. The things that we may consider minor, a new
user will consider to be clues to the overall experience and what to expect;
this is especially true for new users coming from Windows. Thus we lose a
potential asset to the community in favor of some other distro (usually
Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, or Mandriva). Frankly, I would rather we be a bit late
on releasing 12.1 than to release it as finished with the same sort of issues
11.4 showed.
11.4 was a grand milestone, creating enormous buzz with its massive
improvements. 11.4 launched openSUSE to a new height of interest and
popularity, and with that in consideration we must be careful to not put off
the new users. Further, openSUSE has long been known as the flagship for KDE
and as such many people will be looking to us for an alternative to the much
disliked Gnome3 and Unity.
Sincerely,
Roger
openSUSE Ambassador
P.S.
In this section I wanted to raise some questions, critiques, and a
small
wishlist. As this is less important by far I have placed it where it is.
The odd discrepancies in the DVD vs LiveCD version leads me to wonder
where there was some sort of disconnect between teams. I further wonder why
there was not a central unified repository for the two versions, as I imagine
that would have helped remove discrepancies. Why did this occur and how can it
be prevented?
Though I know its late in the game to make a lot of changes to the
final
product, this is my personal wishlist of things to see in future openSUSE
(Gnome team disregard KDE specific things):
1. Have a simple default configuration for Samba, like in Ubuntu where
it
simply works out of the box.
a. Fix AppArmor so it isn't battling with Samba constantly.
2. AppArmor desktop notifier. It would be nice for the user to know
when
AppArmor blocks something, and be able to click straight through to
the Profile Update wizard. But even somethin as simple as a system
announcement would be superior and be picked up by the KDE notification
system.
3. Maintain more current versions of some neglected packages,
especially
WINE. Rekonq being the other package I would have liked to see
updated.
4. Amarok is known as one of the most feature rich players in all of
Linux. However, it often suffers from bugs that crash it constantly, or
degrade its performance. Also its interface suffers from not using
common
conventions, and thus confounds new users. I recommend replacing it
with
Clementine as it is more stable and has a friendlier interface, and is
yet KDE native.
5: There has been some talk about replacing the YaST Printer module
with
a KDE one in userspace. Frankly I think this is a terrible idea as YaST
is the only tool on any platform that has actually made configuration
of
the god-forsaken yet popular HP AllInOne devices simple.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
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The excitement is building as yet another release of our beloved
openSUSE
is just around the corner. This coming release looks as though it may be yet
more exciting than 11.4 was; 11.4 being the distro I run only and place my
clients on as well. Last release was a bit rough around the edges at launch,
and had issues that shook confidence of new users. Though it brought
enormous improvements in speed and stability, I must still worry about the
first experience.
As you most likely will recall, there were several discrepancies and
throwbacks to previous versions that sullied 11.4 upon release. Primarily ones
I noticed were the oddity of the DVD using the old Knetwork Manager as opposed
to the current plasmoid version that was present in the KDE Live CD version.
There was also the matter of the pre 11 series behavior of AppArmor in
blocking Samba; this I found was more pronounced in the DVD install. (To this
day I can't get Samba to work properly in a DVD install.) Since I am not a
developer, and have only a brief familiarity with many of the logistical
issues facing a project of this magnitude I will not offer an immediate
critique. However as an Ambassador I must emphasize that these sort of
anomalies, no matter how technically minor will shake the confidence of
someone trying the new release. The things that we may consider minor, a new
user will consider to be clues to the overall experience and what to expect;
this is especially true for new users coming from Windows. Thus we lose a
potential asset to the community in favor of some other distro (usually
Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, or Mandriva). Frankly, I would rather we be a bit late
on releasing 12.1 than to release it as finished with the same sort of issues
11.4 showed.
11.4 was a grand milestone, creating enormous buzz with its massive
improvements. 11.4 launched openSUSE to a new height of interest and
popularity, and with that in consideration we must be careful to not put off
the new users. Further, openSUSE has long been known as the flagship for KDE
and as such many people will be looking to us for an alternative to the much
disliked Gnome3 and Unity.
Sincerely,
Roger
openSUSE Ambassador
P.S.
In this section I wanted to raise some questions, critiques, and a
small
wishlist. As this is less important by far I have placed it where it is.
The odd discrepancies in the DVD vs LiveCD version leads me to wonder
where there was some sort of disconnect between teams. I further wonder why
there was not a central unified repository for the two versions, as I imagine
that would have helped remove discrepancies. Why did this occur and how can it
be prevented?
Though I know its late in the game to make a lot of changes to the
final
product, this is my personal wishlist of things to see in future openSUSE
(Gnome team disregard KDE specific things):
1. Have a simple default configuration for Samba, like in Ubuntu where
it
simply works out of the box.
a. Fix AppArmor so it isn't battling with Samba constantly.
2. AppArmor desktop notifier. It would be nice for the user to know
when
AppArmor blocks something, and be able to click straight through to
the Profile Update wizard. But even somethin as simple as a system
announcement would be superior and be picked up by the KDE notification
system.
3. Maintain more current versions of some neglected packages,
especially
WINE. Rekonq being the other package I would have liked to see
updated.
4. Amarok is known as one of the most feature rich players in all of
Linux. However, it often suffers from bugs that crash it constantly, or
degrade its performance. Also its interface suffers from not using
common
conventions, and thus confounds new users. I recommend replacing it
with
Clementine as it is more stable and has a friendlier interface, and is
yet KDE native.
5: There has been some talk about replacing the YaST Printer module
with
a KDE one in userspace. Frankly I think this is a terrible idea as YaST
is the only tool on any platform that has actually made configuration
of
the god-forsaken yet popular HP AllInOne devices simple.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
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