Am Dienstag, 12. Juli 2011 schrieb Karl Eichwalder:
Stephan Kulow
writes: No, it simply means we need more users that install also other milestones than the very last before final. The question how to gain them is not by making the product worse in having older, buggier software on them.
Might work. But, of course, there are also some caveats. Major components such as "the desktop" often came late. And the older Where have you been when people seriously suggested waiting with the release just for the next patchlevel version of Kernel GNOME or KDE without even knowing what they get?
And don't fool yourself, it's not the openSUSE project that fixes the most bugs, but it's the upstream projects that we take the software from.
This also depends. At least, we sometimes do "important" stuff (e.g., Gnome Main Menu or software translations).
Gnome Main Menu? The 10.1 was released before I became release manager. And you hopefully won't claim that openSUSE translates more software than the upstream projects. You should know better.
And openSUSE RC phases with continued upstream integration is pointless.
Sure, but only as long as upstream is in bug fixing mode. Upstream often does bug fixes, changes, and enhancements at the same time...
That's what I'm saying too, not sure where you see the conflict.
nice and fixed after RC3 or RC4, wait two or three additional weeks and bugs will pile up.
We have _4 weeks_ of RC phase, that is enough to find important bugs if people would actually test.
It's probably enough for testing, but surely not enough for fixing the found bugs. Here I'm talking about desktop related components (Gnome), which come with strange translations, memory leaks, or crashy behavior.
Possibly. If we take 8 months to fix the bugs in 11.4, we might please _some_, but the question remains what developers you want to attract doing that. People might still believe that, but open source development is not about pleasing users, but about finding a balance between fun for developers and fun for users.
I always said that those who want the perfect product, are welcome to continue working on *:Update, but I see no action, so I would like everyone who doesn't want to put his money where his mouth is to stay away from using "+1" on this list.
In general, I like this approach (working on *:Update), and it is a little bit unfair to pretend that there is no action ;) Many developers still do not know that fixing "minor" bugs for a released openSUSE product is appreciated by me and you. They often think working those bugs is not allowed.
Point them http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Maintenance - the team waits to be asked. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org