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Re: [opensuse-factory] Request to change MS6 to Beta
- From: Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:08:26 +0200
- Message-id: <201107120908.26636.coolo@novell.com>
Am Dienstag, 12. Juli 2011 schrieb Karl Eichwalder:
just for the next patchlevel version of Kernel GNOME or KDE without even
knowing what they get?
And you hopefully won't claim that openSUSE translates more software than the
upstream projects. You should know better.
but the question remains what developers you want to attract doing that.
People might still believe that, but open source development is not about
pleasing users, but about finding a balance between fun for developers and
fun for users.
asked.
Greetings, Stephan
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Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:Where have you been when people seriously suggested waiting with the release
No, it simply means we need more users that install also other
milestones than the very last before final. The question how to gain
them is not by making the product worse in having older, buggier
software on them.
Might work. But, of course, there are also some caveats. Major
components such as "the desktop" often came late. And the older
just for the next patchlevel version of Kernel GNOME or KDE without even
knowing what they get?
Gnome Main Menu? The 10.1 was released before I became release manager.
And don't fool yourself, it's not the openSUSE project that fixes the
most bugs, but it's the upstream projects that we take the software
from.
This also depends. At least, we sometimes do "important" stuff (e.g.,
Gnome Main Menu or software translations).
And you hopefully won't claim that openSUSE translates more software than the
upstream projects. You should know better.
That's what I'm saying too, not sure where you see the conflict.
And openSUSE RC phases with continued upstream integration is
pointless.
Sure, but only as long as upstream is in bug fixing mode. Upstream
often does bug fixes, changes, and enhancements at the same time...
Possibly. If we take 8 months to fix the bugs in 11.4, we might please _some_,
nice and fixed after RC3 or RC4, wait two or three additional weeks and
bugs will pile up.
We have _4 weeks_ of RC phase, that is enough to find important bugs
if people would actually test.
It's probably enough for testing, but surely not enough for fixing the
found bugs. Here I'm talking about desktop related components (Gnome),
which come with strange translations, memory leaks, or crashy behavior.
but the question remains what developers you want to attract doing that.
People might still believe that, but open source development is not about
pleasing users, but about finding a balance between fun for developers and
fun for users.
Point them http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Maintenance - the team waits to be
I always said that those who want the perfect product, are welcome to
continue working on *:Update, but I see no action, so I would like
everyone who doesn't want to put his money where his mouth is to stay
away from using "+1" on this list.
In general, I like this approach (working on *:Update), and it is a
little bit unfair to pretend that there is no action ;) Many developers
still do not know that fixing "minor" bugs for a released openSUSE
product is appreciated by me and you. They often think working those
bugs is not allowed.
asked.
Greetings, Stephan
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