Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (505 mails)

[Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Am Freitag, 8. Juli 2011 schrieb Karl Eichwalder:
> Am Fri 08 Jul 2011 08:47:03 PM CEST schrieb Larry Finger
>
> <Larry.Finger@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > Perhaps. I have no strong feelings on that point. All I know is that as
> > long as general testing starts with RC1, my observations on the last 3
> > releases say that some of those same bugs will end up in GM.
>
> This simply means, we need a longer RC period.  Even if everything looks
No, it simply means we need more users that install also other milestones than 
the  very last before final. The question how to gain them is not by making 
the product worse in having older, buggier software on them. And don't fool 
yourself, it's not the openSUSE project that fixes the most bugs, but it's the 
upstream projects that we take the software from. And openSUSE RC phases
with continued upstream integration is pointless.

> nice and fixed after RC3 or RC4, wait two or three additional weeks and
> bugs will pile up.
We have _4 weeks_ of RC phase, that is enough to find important bugs
if people would actually test.

I think it's time to grasp that some people just don't want to test, but 
install the ready product. I _never_ installed beta software of something
I didn't take part in developing and even many openSUSE developers install
betas - and those that do very often live on factory anyway.

And some more install RC1 because they think it's about the final product,
if you have RC1 even earlier than even less will believe it's the final 
product and take the real final product -> no testing at all. And of course
you can have RC17 in 2013 and wait for bugs to be fixed, but as I wrote
above, the actual developers live on factory and want to update their packages
to latest upstream already a week after RC freeze.

The RC phase is there to branch from factory, fix important bugs and  leave 
the product otherwise alone.

I always said that those who want the perfect product, are welcome to continue 
working on *:Update, but I see no action, so I would like everyone who doesn't 
want to put his money where his mouth is to stay away from using "+1" on this 
list.

To summarize: no longer RC phase with me and no "alphaX" and no "betaX" with 
me. I'm not convinced that it changes anything, but I'm open to call the 
milestone before the RC phase Beta, but that's about the naming.

Greetings, Stephan
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