On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 06:34:40PM -0400, Brian K. White wrote:
As one who has to maintain a bunch of boxes and has to spend a lot of time devising atomated procedures and training non-admins who never the less have to do adminly stuff because I cannot always be available, every backwards incompatible change, every change in default behavior, every thing that breaks because of little or no testing prior to making it part of the official system costs me lots of time I and my employer and my customers would rather I be spending doing other new stuff rather than just playing keep-up-with-suse just to maintain what I already had.
Since when do we make changes without testing? We do lots of testing, in fact, that's exactly what FACTORY is here for, and presumably, why you are on this list as well, right? So what have we done that break things that were not fixed? Also note that the changes for systemd are being done to _unify_ all of the distros so that you can manage your machines in a more consistant manner across distros. The developers are finally merging all of those little things that are different about the system configuration. What is wrong with doing that?
Your passive aggressive remark is more true than I think you realize or than maybe Novell would wish.
What remark was "passive aggressive"? That's pretty hard to determine in email, but I was very sincere in stating that if you don't find that the way openSUSE is changing, you are free to change to another distro, or stay and help make things better. Creating anonymous email accounts to try to rant about things in incoherent ways doesn't help anyone at all, right?
It's only inertia that has had me still using opensuse this long. I'd already invested a lot so it simply takes a lot of bad before it becomes rational to jump. But the overall nature of progress lately has gotten kind of slipshod and spotty. Things that used to work either no longer work or are removed entirely for lack of developers to maintain them. Decisions made that affect everyone for insufficient reasons and with insufficient gain in return for the pain.
Specifics please.
When I finally dig in and set up an archos or debian version of my production system, I may find that it's even harder to develop a consistent, scalable, reproduceable, maintanable, dependable system there. Maybe the grass isn't greener over there.
I think you will find that almost all distros are starting to look more and more alike at the lower levels as the developers work to unify the differences there. So I doubt you will find many differences if you change, but I would be interested in any reports of the contrary for how we can make openSUSE better. greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org