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Re: [opensuse-factory] Expected usage of Tumbleweed?
On 04/11/2011 05:40 AM, Greg KH wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:31:41PM -0700, Ken Savage wrote:
On 04/10/2011 11:47 AM, Greg KH wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:23:02AM -0700, Ken Savage wrote:
What I'm wondering about is the discrepancy I see in the list of
packages that will be upgraded when I issue a plain "zypper dup"
compared to the TW-based list of packages. Fair enough that my
Packman and VLC repos might have some newer files than what has
managed to be CONFIRMED to be working in TW.

I don't understand, what do you mean by "discrepancy" here? Please show
examples.

Because I have other repos accessible, it's clear that when I
restrict myself to a dup from TW, it will not be looking at the
same range of versions as with a dup against the full list. This
is the discrepancy I am referring to.

Well, that's pretty obvious then, right? :)

But are the openSUSE BuildService repos more cutting edge than
TW as well? What about the 11.4 Upgrades repo (/update/11.4) ?

It depends on the package.

And therein lay the main reason I get the bigger list when I dup
against all repos containing a variety of BuildService items.

Exactly.

All other repos should be removed, unless you explicitly want to pull
>from them _instead_ of tumbleweed or anywhere else.

Don't have any other repos other than Tumbleweed and the base 11.4
update repos. That's what I'm supporting, anything else you do you do
so on your own :)

ie: Not even the 11.4 Main repository?

Sorry, no, the "11.4 repos that got installed on your system" is a good
way to summarize all 4 of them.

... and then you simply "zypper dup" (as opposed to --from Tumbleweed)
against that very restricted set of repos?

That works for me.

I think that caveat should be posted to the Tumbleweed portal page.
As it stands, it says to add the repo, and zypper dup --from it. I
think it would be a good call to add something along the lines of

"... other repositories such as those on openSUSE BuildService list,
the Main, Contrib, VLC and Packman should be disabled to avoid package
conflicts or unsupported system configurations..."

Well, Main is fine. I have no idea about Contrib as that should be
pulled into Factory and then Tumbleweed if you really want the packages
and use them. Packman you are always on your own as I can't support
that at all, and I don't know what VLC is.

And all of this is always "unsupported" on one level or another, in the
end, it's just supported the best that we can on an individual level.

thanks,

greg k-h

VLC is a well-adopted media player. I see it multi-referenced in the support forums and use it almost exclusively myself. Mine stopped working (no sound but video is fine) when I upgraded from 11.4 to Tumbleweed. VLC's silence is the only problem I've had with Tumbleweed (apart from my own confusion with repos which this thread has now cleared up -- thanks).

My VLC comes originally from 11.4 Packman and it's the same as the VLC RPM in Tumbleweed_Packman, and it fell silent when I did "zypper dup --from Tumbleweed".

Thanks,
John
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