Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (379 mails)

[Greg KH <gregkh@xxxxxxx>]

On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 09:08:59PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
> Greg KH wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 06:26:16PM -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Marcus Meissner <meissner@xxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 05:47:38PM -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 12:22:16PM -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> > > > > > > All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a simple way security updates can be tested to install
> > > > > > > cleanly on a Tumbleweed system?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can we make that part of the process somehow?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, that's not up to the security or maintance people, that's up
> > > > > > to the tumbleweed developers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > == details
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just tried to do a YOU, but I get a conflict that a typical
> > > > > > > user should not have to face just because they're using
> > > > > > > Tumbleweed:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What's a "YOU"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yast Online Update
> > > > >
> > > > > It's the normal security update process that all users should use.
> > > > >
> > > > > ie. Hopefully everybody is pulling / installing security updates.
> > > > >
> > > > > I typically pull security updates by typing "you" at the
> > > > > command-line when I get the urge.
> > > >
> > > > It was a bugfix update though.
> > > >
> > > > > I don't think the typical opensuse user knows virtualbox has to be
> > > > > compiled for a specific kernel.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I assume the goal is for the "typical tumbleweed user" to be
> > > > > similar to the typical opensuse user.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, normally when there is a package conflict and one of the
> > > > > choices will break a package (or more), then the choices the user
> > > > > gets to select from explicitly say that.  In this case, the
> > > > > choices don't make that clear.
> > > >
> > > > I still think that you need to have a certain level of knowledge
> > > > to try Tumbleweed though, and this includes resolving of such minor
> > > > conflicts.
> > > >
> > > > Ciao, Marcus
> > >
> > > Should "Who should use Tumleweed" at
> > >
> > > http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
> > >
> > > be updated to say that
> > >
> > > "Tumbleweed users will experience more package conflicts than users
> > > of the normal openSUSE releases and therefor Tumbleweed users should
> > > feel comfortable resolving minor conflicts."
> >
> > "more"?  Since when do users of "normal" openSUSE releases have _any_
> > such conflicts?
>
> Since you're asking for _any_ such conflicts, here is one that appeared
> with 11.4:
>
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669498#c6

Heh, ok, fair enough, thanks.

greg k-h
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