Hello, On Fri, 01 Apr 2011, dwgallien wrote:
Actually, Canterbury comes up on the Gentoo home page as if it is its own.
Tried opensuse.org? I *LOVE* coordinated fools-day-pranks ;) Anyway: I like the idea! AND, more importantly, it shows that openSUSE is far from being dead! Let me paraphrase the "message" ... - openSUSE is openminded, broadly "targetted" and welcoming to everyone (straight from the Canterbury opensuse.org page[1]) - openSUSE is not bleeding Edge (like Arch), but Tumbleweed + Packman + home:* and such can fix that (Yay, for you guys working on that), I still think the search "fallbacks" (or defaults) need to be adjusted. - openSUSE is not-as-strictly open-and-stable as Debian, but maybe not quite that dependable (that's what SLES/SLED are for, eh?) - openSUSE is (for me increasingly sadly, I hate "automatisms") not as malleable as gentoo. *ARGH*! Just now, there's a really "bad" idea popping into my mind[2] - openSUSE is ... well, SUSE Live-CDs exist, haven't used one though in years - openSUSE is definitely not as dumbed-down as Ubuntu (though: what's the current default /etc/sudoers without comments?) I do not know RHEL/Fedora or Mandriva or others enough for more comments. Anyway, I think oS is doing that reaaaalllly difficult act of doing the splits between desktop / new-user-friendlyness and server / admin / more-admin-typey-user very well. Yes, there are some (huge) drawbacks. As a "backwards" guy, all that libpulse, dbus, udev (ok, it seems better than hal), using XML and libxml for basic system config is just insane, {Console,Policy,Device}Kit (what are they for, anyway?) who needs that stuff? I use plain Alsa and X and WindowMaker, xterms and /etc/fstab (with both device-specific as well as port-specific devices for some USB stuff ;) Anyway: so far, I've found oS to be easier malleable into mostly what *I* want than other distributions (apart from Gentoo, and even there I have already had to edit+"overlay" "ebuilds" to get what I want (e.g. no pulseaudio, IIRC)). BTW: has anyone else had a "nullok" in /etc/pam.d/*? -dnh [1] screenshot made ;) [2] make SUSE configurable via a local OBS, i.e. make the *.spec + source from which oS is built (and more) availabe like the gentoo portage-tree is made availabe. With a lot of work to use "flags" instead of hard-coded stuff ("--enable-foo"/"--disable-foo" depending on configure scripts etc.), one could basically keep oS as it is and enable advanced users (e.g. me) to disable certain "features" "systemwide" (basically not linking to some stuff like e.g. kerberos, libpulse or whatever) and rebuild packages locally ... Wild, I know ;) But the actual work would be relatively small (but would clutter .spec files with stuff like %configure \ %if 0%{use_krb} --enable-kerberos \ %else --disable-kerberos \ %endif etc. But it still sound strangely attractive to me, esp. if you could mix/merge "locally-spun" packages (with _your_ flags) with ordinary e.g. "oss-repo" packages ... Maybe use %use_kerberos macros instead (c.f. perl/python macros). It'd be a killer-feature if you'd ask me ;) And by using a local OBS, you only get the people that know what they're doing (gentoo also has some hurdles to take) to use it, i.e. "bugs will usually be real bugs" ;) Anyway, using something like the Gentoo "USE" flags as specfile macros sounds disturbingly attractive to me ... *scnr* --
Mag sein, ändert aber nichts am instinktiven Verhalten. Auf alle Fälle kramen Frauen gerne irgendwo rum, wenn sie Autofahren... :) -- J. Lippert Deshalb sind der Spiegel in der Sonnenblende und das Handschuhfach stets rechts eingebaut. -- R. Schwentker
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