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Re: [opensuse-factory] Codecs
- From: Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:36:02 -0500
- Message-id: <4CFA5FE2.2070800@xxxxxxxx>
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On 12/04/2010 08:28 AM, Olaf Hering wrote:
Exactly. The UI experience described above is easy for the technically
inclined but we need to move beyond that. There's all this discussion
about how to make openSUSE more popular. The general answer is to
attract more developers to then attract more users, which attracts more
developers. It's a feedback loop that grows the user ecosystem gradually
(perhaps eventually exponentially) instead of explosively, but there are
very few examples of the latter ever actually happening in the world of
operating systems.
This feedback loop seems to have been short circuited at the goal of
attracting developers, but without non-developer users to give feedback
on the UI we end up with "good enough." Case in point: I attended this
year's Linux Plumbers Conference and there was a UI designer from the
Fedora project there who was tasked with unifying the interface to
storage. She initially had some experience with the basic forms of
storage, like internal disks and USB-attached disks, but it gets complex
really quickly once you start getting into the SAN arena. Things like
WWIDs aren't really user-friendly, especially for the end-user. She gave
a great talk because it was a new perspective on a problem that we'd
largely ignored because we're designing and testing with technical people.
That's for storage. For this problem, the solution is much simpler.
I just want to be able to install openSUSE on my mom's PC and not expect
a phone call every 15 minutes with a new question on how to use it. The
idea of explaining how to install MP3 codecs over the phone isn't
appealing to me.
- -Jeff
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Jeff Mahoney
SuSE Labs
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On 12/04/2010 08:28 AM, Olaf Hering wrote:
On Fri, Nov 19, Martin Schlander wrote:
Fredag den 19. november 2010 20:54:11 skrev Jeff Mahoney:
The expressions on their faces when they see
how many ridiculous hoops I need to jump through to configure the
Packman repository and then replace the codecs changes to exasperation
You mean go to a website like opensuse-community.org or opensuse-guide.org,
click on a codec 1-click, then click next a couple of times, accept vendor
change. Done. Or copy/paste a couple of zypper commands.
Too complicated, or too geeky.
What are all those conflicts (technical I understand them)?
After inserting a Video DVD, KDE does not offer to play the DVD.
After installing the 'Codecs pack for KDE' thing:
KDE still does not start a player to play the DVD?!
Smooth integration looks different.
For comparison have these people ever tried finding a codecpack for MS
Windows
without malware, to play anything other than wma/wmv/mp3/avi? (does Windows
support anything else out of the box?) ;-)
Compare openSuSE with usable things:
Inserting an audio CD opens the player.
Inserting a Video DVD opens the player.
In Mac OS. That matters.
Exactly. The UI experience described above is easy for the technically
inclined but we need to move beyond that. There's all this discussion
about how to make openSUSE more popular. The general answer is to
attract more developers to then attract more users, which attracts more
developers. It's a feedback loop that grows the user ecosystem gradually
(perhaps eventually exponentially) instead of explosively, but there are
very few examples of the latter ever actually happening in the world of
operating systems.
This feedback loop seems to have been short circuited at the goal of
attracting developers, but without non-developer users to give feedback
on the UI we end up with "good enough." Case in point: I attended this
year's Linux Plumbers Conference and there was a UI designer from the
Fedora project there who was tasked with unifying the interface to
storage. She initially had some experience with the basic forms of
storage, like internal disks and USB-attached disks, but it gets complex
really quickly once you start getting into the SAN arena. Things like
WWIDs aren't really user-friendly, especially for the end-user. She gave
a great talk because it was a new perspective on a problem that we'd
largely ignored because we're designing and testing with technical people.
That's for storage. For this problem, the solution is much simpler.
I just want to be able to install openSUSE on my mom's PC and not expect
a phone call every 15 minutes with a new question on how to use it. The
idea of explaining how to install MP3 codecs over the phone isn't
appealing to me.
- -Jeff
- --
Jeff Mahoney
SuSE Labs
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