* Stephan Kulow
Am Mittwoch 03 November 2010 schrieb Guido Berhoerster:
* Stephan Kulow
[2010-10-27 13:46]: There have been various talks about systemd at the openSUSE conference and we would like to go forward.
So this means we will loose interactive boot and the ability to start services in a chroot? I think you're the first to mention interactive boot as feature.
I have used it in the past to debug init scripts and to selectively disable certain scripts and force scripts to be executed serially. Same goes for being able to start daemons without having to write init scripts (also a problem with upstart), is there anything planned to allow that with systemd services?
I hope this will not be the default in an openSUSE release before Fedora 15 is out. I still remeber the fallout when Ubuntu switched (as the first distro) to native upstart jobs.
What fallout?
The inevitable fallout of bugs when exposing a complex piece of software for the first time to a large number of users and thus use cases. While I admit that part of the bad experience with Ubuntu might have been due to their (lack of) QA and the horrible approach of mixing native jobs with sysv-initscripts and the lack of equivalent interfaces in upstart (e.g. reload/restart actions expected by .deb pre/post-install scripts) there still were a lot of plain bugs despite all testing and earlier usage of upstart for legacy sysvinit-scripts. Examples of bugs I have encountered were GDM sometimes not coming up clearly due to some race, hanging boot process when mounting NFS shares from a NAS server on bootup, unreliable tracing of daemons, and pressing SAK in order to get out of an unresponsive X session killing upstart/init. Point is that despite all the testing these kinds of issues will come up when rolling out systemd to thousands of users and forcing the openSUSE userbase to become beta testers for Redhat would IMHO be a disservice to the whole project. Let them give it some exposure in Fedora 15 first, I suppose people using Fedora are used to certain levels of pain. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org