Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (517 mails)

["Bernhard M. Wiedemann" <susefactory@xxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:39:49AM +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Factory has opened up again and already sees tons of broken packages :)
>
> I try to line up 11.4 early as I think we need to start discussions around 
> milestones early as there are quite some holidays ahead in our way - so if
> you have suggestions to make or plain feedback to give, feel free to put it
> in nice words ;)
>
> Greetings, Stephan

I do have some plans there.

Of course, I will keep running my daily automated factory snapshot install 
testing which already helped to spot issues before they made it into milestones 
and RCs.
But I was also thinking to use the Qemu snapshot feature to easily use a 
read-only base-image of a stable release to test zypper dup on a regular basis. 
zypper dup from last MS is certainly also worth testing as this is what testers 
will do and thus should not fail.
Maybe I will even include a rolling zypper dup from Factory to Factory.


As for the discussion part, I would not mind having more releases during the 
stabilizing phase (e.g. last 3 months before GM). E.g. RC1 and RC2 were only 2 
weeks apart, so why should milestones before that be 4 weeks apart?

Let us say, Milestone MSn is released on day x
on day x+3 to +7, most testers will have upgraded to MSn,
then some days to spot+report the most obvious issues => x+9
then some days to bugfix => x+13
and until the package is rebuilt => x+15
retested and uploaded to Factory => x+17
leaving some margin until next Milestone MS(n+1) => x+21

so a release cycle of three weeks could be possible.
While we had MS5-7 during 11.3 stabilizing, there could be MS5-8 for 11.4.

for reference, old 11.3 Roadmap looked thus
http://old-en.opensuse.org/Roadmap

-- 
Bernhard M. Wiedemann
software engineer
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