Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (517 mails)

[Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Tim Serong <tserong@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I've recently updated most of the High Availability packages
> in network:ha-clustering:Factory to current stable versions
> (corosync 1.2, openais 1.2, pacemaker 1.1 etc. - previously
> we had openais 0.80.x and pacemaker 1.0.x, which were really
> quite old).
>
> This leaves the question of what to do with the heartbeat
> package.  Currently we have version 2.99.3, which gives us:
>
>  - heartbeat
>  - heartbeat-resources (obsoleted by resource-agents)
>  - heartbeat-common (obsoleted by cluster-glue)
>  - heartbeat-ldirectord (obsoleted by resource-agents)
>  - associated lib & devel packages
>
> Upstream, heartbeat is now at version 3.0, but is effectively
> in "maintenance mode" (i.e. not under active development)[1].
> So, we should either upgrade heartbeat in Factory to version 3
> (and make it use the new resource-agents and cluster-glue
> packages as dependencies), or drop it.
>
> I personally am in favour of dropping it, because:
>
>  - We have a current version of corosync/openais as an
>    alternative messaging layer for Pacemaker clusters.
>  - Heartbeat is no longer under active development.
>  - I am not currently in a position where I can upgrade
>    and/or maintain the Heartbeat packages myself.
>
> Accordingly, if nobody objects (or offers to become maintainer)
> before the end of Monday July 5[2], I'll put in a deleterequest
> for heartbeat in Factory some time on Tuesday.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim
>
> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-ha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg14520.html
> [2] I will of course wait for Monday July 5 to finish everywhere
>    in the world.
>
>
> --
> Tim Serong <tserong@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Senior Clustering Engineer, OPS Engineering, Novell Inc.

Tim,

I first used heartbeat 10+ years ago, so I'll be sad to see it go.

Also I think V.3 is a valuable asset to openSUSE, but I can't
volunteer to support it.  Have you asked anyone at LINBIT if they
would consider it?  I believe some of that team has suse / novell
ties.

IIRC, they even use OBS to publish heartbeat.  And they are providing
the upstream support so handling openSUSE issues should be a
relatively small effort for them.

Assuming the delete goes forward:

Can you explain what this means for 11.3?  Is heartbeat not going to
be part of the release?  I'm a little surprised a significant delete
request is allowed post RC2, but I understand the logic.

Also, unless July 5 is in stone, it seems a very poor choice.  This
weekend is a major US holiday and many people that might care about
heartbeat may not even by on e-mail between now and July 6.

Greg
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