Hi Karsten, First, many many thanks for doing this. Then it's not so strange that nothing seems to happen when I do this myself. I really hope that this can be resolved for Milestone6 of Opensuse. When you run the setup, did you chooce to have Orca starting automatically when you login? I suppose you did. Try answering no to that question and see what happens. If you are able to login without any problems, try running orca again with alt-f2. If this crashes the session, try running orca form a gnome-terminal when the accessibility support has been enabled. Many thanks, Christian On 2010-04-15 at 12:35 Karsten König wrote:
Heya,
ok I tried it now, when logged out the first selection possibility is to choose user, this will be livecd-user, hitting enter here will log you in without password question.
But I also tried following your routine.
On m5 pressing f9 on the boot selection screen freezes my virtualbox vm, might be due to the vm. First entry is openSUSE - Live, so will boot into the GNOME session.
After the gnome session started using alt+f2 to call orca, it will open a terminal and start setup with the language, reading out the text right away.
I awnsered all questions with yes, except language (54- de) and system (desktop)
When the last question appears (want to relogin) a new window pops open taking the focus :-( alt+tab once gets you back to the terminal with the setup question, pressing y now to logout gets you to the gnome login screen, hitting enter once will log you back in. Problem is now orca doesn't start, the application gnome-settings-daemon crashed and wants you to send a bugreport, no orca though =( alt+f2 doesn't work anymore and starting orca through the menu makes the gnome-session crash.
Sorry I this doesn't help you for now, we can try again with milestone 6.
Regards, Karsten
Am Donnerstag, 15. April 2010 01:02:35 schrieb Christian:
Hi Bryen and all, OK, this doesn't work. After the accessibility support is enabled I press ente rto log out and when I am logged out I press enter twice but it doesn't work. There is no password on the live CD? I suppose it's not. Many thanks, Christian
On 2010-04-14 at 16:59 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 23:13 +0200, Christian wrote:
Hi, OK, this is my last message to this list and noone seems to be willing
to help.
This is so simple for you opensuse user's. If logged out from Gnome, how
many times should one press the tab key in order to get to the login button or is there some keyboard command for enabling this button?
And finally, where can I post suggestions so that they will be
implemented in some future release of the OS?
This is important, at least to me when it comes to accessibility. Many thanks, Christian
On 11.2 (don't have Factory set up yet), I have the following steps: - Hit Enter (assuming your user is the first on the list) If not, then arrow key down to the user you wish to log in as. - Type password (hit enter) - You're logged in.
Assuming there's nothing drastically different with the GDM login in Factory vs. 11.2, this should work the same.
Now, about accessibility,
There are many challenges that openSUSE (as well as other distros) face when it comes to ensuring accessibility. Most, if not all, of our developers don't actually use accessibility tools and try their best from an unknown perspective to meet the needs of accessibility. The problem has been further compounded by the fact that we do not have many accessibility users come forward to specifically test accessibility on openSUSE as well as make recommendations for improvements.
I'm glad you've come forward and made yourself known as an accessibility user and we need more like you to speak up and give constructive feedback on what needs to be improved. I am also an accessibility user and have low-vision. I've worked along with Stephen Shaw to raise awareness and I'm very proud of our openSUSE-GNOME team for trying their best to make it more effective despite the odds against them.
There has been some recent discussion by those of us (very few of us exist!) about how we can make openSUSE even better as an accessible distribution. I'd love for you to come forth and join us on this discussion as we look into better ways to grow our accessibility community within openSUSE.
It can be frustrating for you, as well as for me at times. But please do know, that I vouch for the openSUSE developers in that they genuinely DO care about accessibility but have limited resources to make it perfect. Education and awareness will go a long way and we need more people like you to speak up and make yourselves known. For example, I didn't know about you until very recently. :-)
What will really help also is if we can learn about how you use computing in an accessible way. Accessibility varies by user. For me, I am a low vision user, and my method of usage is quite different than that of a completely blind user, for example.
You are welcome to email me privately or to discuss your concerns about approaches to accessibility or if you wish to start a thread on accessibility, the better place to do that is probably on our Project mailing list as that will get even more people aware of the issues, not just the developers and testers in factory.
Looking forward to hearing from you soon!
Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Board Member (and accessibility user!) openSUSE Marketing Team Lead GNOME Accessibility Team Outreach
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