Factory Folks, This is a post for which I didn't get a response on the user list. I've described the problem below. Bottom line, something in the kde44 install causes the gnome-setting-daemon to crash in 11.0 and I cannot figure out what's going on. One thing that is new to me is this 'parcellite' process. I don't know if it is related, but I don't recall ever seeing a parcellite error before. Bottom line, I need your help to figure out how to restore the gnome setting daemon. Let me know if you want me to send anything else or if you have any ideas of any tests to run to isolate the problem. This is a problem for both i586 and x86_64. I have the same problem on two separate 11.0 boxes that I moved to kde44 for testing. I have placed the current .xsession-errors file at: (140k) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde4/xsession-crashes_02.txt.bz2 The original post follows. Let me know your thoughts, I'm stumped. Thanks. listmates, As mentioned earlier, after the kde44 install, gnome is really messed up on 11.0. I have gone back and collected all the symptoms I can in hope somebody can help me figure out how to fix gnome. Gnome was working perfectly immediately before kde44 install. After the install, it looks is has lost the ability to set any of its setting. What is very strange is that the fonts are huge even though they are set at the same 8pt as in kde. The look like they are 12-14pt without the gnome settings daemon running. Here is what happens when I try to start gnome: Immediately after typing in my username/password and selecting gnome, the following error is received during gnome start: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon. Some things, such as themes, sounds, or background settings may not work correctly. The last error message was: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) GNOME will still try to restart the Settings Daemon next time you log in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Then, the first thing you notice on login - No background (the splash screen is left as the bg). The Lower and Upper Panels are Present and work, it just looks strange against the splash background. So I open Gnome Control Panel. It opens just fine, but like everything else is completely bland without any settings applied. I then try and click appearance to see if I can adjust any settings. Immediately Upon Clicking Appearance, the following occurs: (1) the proper window color and decorations appear for ~1 second, then: (2) gnome-settings-daemon crash. Error: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'. Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with Bonobo, or a non-GNOME (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The error is repeatable every time. The appearance daemon will ultimately open after ~15-20 seconds, however it is non-functional. Meaning you can click the button, but nothing changes. The Fonts: In Gnome, the fonts are 4-5 points larger in appearance than they are set. Currently I have them set at 8pt and they look more like 12 or 14pt. Probably some xdpy stuff that the gnome-settings-daemon does? Compiz will start, but it starts with a Black Screen. The only way to get your desktop back is the switch back to metacity. (probably related) Log Files - .xsession-errors: 22:15 alchemy:~> cat .xsession-errors /etc/X11/xim: Checking whether an input method should be started. /etc/X11/xim: user environment variable LANG=en_US.UTF-8 sourcing /etc/sysconfig/language to get the value of INPUT_METHOD INPUT_METHOD is not set or empty (no user selected input method). Trying to start a default input method for the locale en_US.UTF-8 ... There is no default input method for the current locale. Warning: No symbols defined for <SYRQ> (keycode 92) <snip all other keys> Warning: No symbols defined for <I7F> (keycode 255) SESSION_MANAGER=local/alchemy:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/22313,unix/alchemy:/tmp/.ICE-unix/22313 ** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-bNbV22313/agent.22313 Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/david/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms: Failed to open file '/home/david/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms': No such file or directory INFO (main:38) No docking station detected, exiting... <snip printer config> Unknown parameter CoastingSpeedThreshold Initializing nautilus-open-terminal extension seahorse nautilus module initialized Initializing nautilus-sound-converter extension ERROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file: /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstlv2.so Please either: - remove it and restart. - run with --gst-disable-segtrap and debug. Could not initialize GStreamer: Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal (gnome-panel:22520): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -2 and height 27 (gpk-update-icon:22536): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Window manager warning: Log level 8: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (parcellite:22530): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (bluetooth-applet:22525): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (gnome-panel:22520): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Window manager warning: Log level 8: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (gpk-update-icon:22536): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (parcellite:22530): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (bluetooth-applet:22525): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Failed to load gnome-fs-desktop: Icon 'gnome-fs-desktop' not present in theme (gnome-panel:22520): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Failed to load gnome-fs-desktop: Icon 'gnome-fs-desktop' not present in theme (parcellite:22530): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Window manager warning: Log level 8: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (bluetooth-applet:22525): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (gpk-update-icon:22536): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (gnome-panel:22520): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Failed to load gnome-fs-desktop: Icon 'gnome-fs-desktop' not present in theme Window manager warning: Log level 8: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (gnome-panel:22520): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Failed to load gnome-fs-desktop: Icon 'gnome-fs-desktop' not present in theme (gpk-update-icon:22536): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (bluetooth-applet:22525): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (parcellite:22530): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed The parcellite error repeats every once in a while, but that is it for the log file. First question -- What else can I post that might help? I would really like to get gnome back up and running. How in the world could installing kde mess up gnome. That's not supposed to happen. What are your thoughts on how to fix this? What tests to try? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org