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Re: [opensuse-factory] The Future of SaX2
  • From: Egbert Eich <eich@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:56:15 +0100
  • Message-id: <20091203145615.GR14203@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:23:17PM -0500, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Egbert Eich <eich@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Let me say it this way: If you tell a free software developer working
on a specific project you want this and that feature in the project
he will most likely only do something for you if he cares about the
feature too. If he isn't intereseted you are on your own - but hey,
it's free software, you can do something about it.

You can if you are a programmer and have the time to do the work. Or
you can HOPE that someone else will step up, which often doesn't

Yes, indeed.


Lack of ability is the biggest problem. At least for someone like me.

One thing that has always bothered me about open source(and this is
something I'm dealing with now with a project to convert a business to
open source & linux) is that the open source people promote it as
being a better alternative. However, if I switch someone to openSUSE
from Windows because they need program A or feature B, and then the
maintainers decide they aren't going to update it anymore, then you've
pushed away an important new user. Plus, a lot of new stuff like KDE4
just doesn't have compelling reasons for old timers. I totally
understand the need to attract new people, but if you are pushing
people away then you have an almost static situation instead of a net
gain. Of course, you can't cater to everyone, but it is a problem.

Yes, I know how this feels. I've fought this battle quite often and
lost. For a relatively small crowd (like us at openSUSE and Novell)
it is close to impossible to keep things around if a much larger crowd
decides to change or abandon them.

On 11.2 SaX2 has been deprecated but it works (as good or bad as
it did on 11.1). I doubt that making this announcement earlier would
have changed the situation significantly.

Personally, so long as the alternative works, then I'm not
complaining. BUT, when things are promised but not delivered it
creates a problem for the community. KDE4 was supposed to need LESS
resources than KDE3 and that evaporated real fast. Now everyone is
just told to upgrade(which is very difficult for some people
considering the shape of the economy in the world today). Some, like
my son, like a lot of the new stuff in KDE4. Others like myself just
see the fluff and don't see the point in it when we just want
something that works and is stable. KDE4 is finally becoming stable
and more usable, but it was a rough road and many decisions were made
which hurt it(and not just by the devs. distros that pushed it out
way too soon like Fedora should have known better).

In the end, an open source project still needs its community. The
developers put this stuff out to encourage people to use it. If they
aren't going to make a commitment to maintain it without a viable or
better alternative, then they are in some ways hurting the uptake of
open source software, and uptake is something we all want to see
continue. That's why we are all here. Devs and users alike.

It often doesn't work that way. Devs often have high flying goals and
discover in the end the hard way that they cannot deliver.


Egbert Eich (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH
X Window System Development
Tel: +49 911-740 53 0
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
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