Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (594 mails)

[Per Osbäck <per@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:14:27 +0200, Martin Schlander
<martin.schlander@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Fredag den 4. september 2009 11:58:36 skrev Per Osbäck:
> > hmm...ok..so I won't be notified about updates from build service repos
> > then!?
> >
> > If I want to follow the latest KDE after 11.2 is released for example I
> > have to manually check for updates using zypper up?
> >
> > Personally I think it should offer all available updates. It doesn't
make
> > sense that I have make use of several tools to update my system,
> > especially
> > when there is the build service that builds against 11.2.
> > If I add a repo, I want to be notifed about updates from the repo.
>
> It's a very old discussion, which has been had many times before. 
>
> In my mind it makes perfect sense - you use zypper
patch/kupdateapplet/YOU
> to 
> *fix* your system (patches). Most users expect updates suggested by the 
> updater applet to be safe to install.
>
> And you use zypper up/yast2 sw_single to *break* your system (packman,
OBS 
> repos).
>
> (and 'zypper dup' to distupgrade your factory which is usually about
50/50 
> breakage and fixage) >:-)
>
> It might be desirable for experts that the applet has the (non-default)
> option 
> to show all updates, like it did with zypp backend, but I don't think
the 
> packagekit backend supports that, not sure whether the zypp backend is
> still 
> available in 11.2.


yes I know it has been discussed before, though I don't think it's very
clear how it works for the enduser.
if a user is capable enough to add a repository he might also expect to be
offered updates for it.
on the other hand he might then also be capable of starting a terminal and
doing zypper up.

in my scenario where I "helped" someone to add a repo for openSUSE, I have
to explain that "don't forget to manually check for updates every
week/month".

but if this is the wanted behaviour, like you say, maybe a checkbox in the
updater to be able to get all updates with the explanation the this might
break your system.

per

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