Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (949 mails)

[Felix Miata <mrmazda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 2009/08/07 15:03 (GMT+0200) Stephan Kulow composed:

> Am Freitag 07 August 2009 schrieb Felix Miata:

> > On 2009/08/07 10:22 (GMT+0200) Stephan Kulow composed:

> > > sax2 is on its decline, but right now I wouldn't dare to drop it from an
> > > install as people having problems with X (not just complete broken X, but
> > > a nuance) will look for it. For 11.3 I agree, it's the first thing to be
> > > removed from the install.

> > For me that will be a sad day. Interactive sax2 is like son of yast,
> > something that makes SUSE SUSE and stand above other distros. I hope if
> > this actually happens that sax2 remains as a symlink to whatever purports
> > to replace it.

> sax2 is basically an editor for xorg.conf - problem is: Xorg doesn't want an
> xorg.conf anymore, but do everything dynamic in desktop tools. So there is no
> "symlink" to do.

Well maybe instead of a symlink something that displays some kind of help for
those expecting to use it.

I could understand sax2 removal if xorg.conf-free would actually work, but
based upon the development of recent iterations of Xorg and reading the
fedora-devel and freedesktop xorg lists for more than the past year, I am
highly skeptical that it will actually work reliably for everyone before 11.3
is released. Examples that come to mind:

1-broken or missing EDID/DDC (xorg.conf workarounds: PreferredMode, DisplaySize)

2-simultaneous multiple display configuration

3-native display mode is not a VESA mode (e.g. 1440x900) and the x11failsafe
1024x768 (or worse) fallback is inexplicably using a 75 VertRefresh for a
display that supports only 60, putting the display into sleep mode

4-user wants to globally fudge DPI and/or DisplaySize to suit taste

5-display orientation (can any display tell X when it is being used rotated
90 degrees?)

6-user wants to prevent dynamics (lock everything down regardless)

I simply don't expect anything to work better than sax2 for edge cases so
soon, and so I think it premature to say "first thing to be removed from the
install" for 11.3. Better to say it will be removed when proven _completely_
obsolete and that that state is hoped to be reached for release X.X.
-- 
How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose
understanding rather than silver. Proverbs 16:16 NKJV

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