Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (507 mails)

[Atri <badshah400@xxxxxxx>]

On Friday 31 July 2009 13:51:56 Martin Schlander wrote:
> Fredag den 31. juli 2009 00:06:44 skrev Cristian Morales Vega:
> > 2009/7/30 Atri <badshah400@xxxxxxx>:
> > > I totally agree with the one-click procedure, no problems with that. But
> > > we should at least make the one-click link easy to access. In the
> > > present implementation one is lead through a series of links and choices
> > > before one can actually 'one-click' the installer that does the job.
> > > Also the one-click installer leads to conflicts sometimes which require
> > > user-interaction, and not of an easy kind at all, for somebody new.
> >
> > There could be legal implications if openSUSE included a link/script
> > to the codecs in the distro itself. Right now these 1-Click links are
> > hosted in http://opensuse-community.org (not related to the openSUSE
> > project).
> >
> > And the codecs 1-Click link doesn't always work because the 1-Click
> > tech itself has problems that need someone with time to volunteer to
> > work on it... some of the problems need work also in ZYpp/repository
> > metadata format.
> > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-softwaremgmt/2008-08/msg00012.html
> > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-softwaremgmt/2008-12/msg00001.html
> > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-softwaremgmt/2009-07/msg00000.html
> >
> > Not sure if yast-pkgbindings, that 1-Click uses, still selects
> > different packages than zypper (and IMHO zypper is the one doing the
> > right thing, others do wrong).
>
> Having (tried) to maintain multimedia YMPs myself, I gave it up and instead
> I suggest people to install the packages manually with yast or copy/paste a
> couple of zypper commands.
>
> The biggest problem with 1-click is YaST being too anal about arch change
> (libxine1 from i586->i686) and vendor changes, and in case of conflicts
> it'll ask the user to manually select a solution - whereas zypper will
> suggest a solution by itself and simply ask if the user wants to accept or
> not.
>
> I actually know people who are not big fans of the command line - but when
> seeing conflicts - resort to zypper instead of yast, because of the
> different conflict resolution approach (yes/no question vs. manually solve
> X number of conflicts).
>
> This is not only a problem in case of multimedia btw., but in many cases, I
> think the YaST conflict dialog should adopt the behaviour of zypper - wonder
> if this would be a bugreport or a feature request.

I agree with you completely. One-click installation is alright if you are 
installing a new-package with limited dependencies but if you are trying to 
upgrade packages coming from a different repository or having complicated 
dependency behaviour it is quite a different story. That is why I think it 
will be way more easier if a script calling zypper does this for the user 
instead of him having to wade through a maze of links before he finds a link 
for one-click installation that might or in all probability might not work.

Bye
-- 
Atri
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