Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (507 mails)

[Sid Boyce <sboyce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Peter Nikolic wrote:
> On Monday 13 Jul 2009 09:54:40 Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > Am Samstag 11 Juli 2009 schrieb Dean Hilkewich:
>
>
>
> > The drop of KDE 3 is a very good example. Once in a while someone comes
> > around arguing that dropping KDE 3 is a bad idea and KDE4 is much worse,
> > ... - if invited to maintain KDE:KDE3 -> silence.
> Unfortunately a lot of us are not programmers so cant maintain stuff other 
> than very rudementry stuff . 
>
> That said it does not take away the fact that the dropping of KDE3 was a bad 
> bad move  IF KDE4 had been released in a somewhat more user friendly 
> condition 
> then maybe the reception may not have been quite as hostile as it was .
>
> As i had said right form the start  the method of release was wrong .
>
> That said KDE4 i just about starting to show usefull but still lots of gripes 
>  
> one being the lack of clear info on what repos are and are not needed to 
> update to the latest KDE4.3  (that one is still bugging the life out of me) 
> how when you ask a simple question can someone find so many ways to wriggle 
> out of giving a direct answer it beats me he must be an MP .
As for KDE4, upstream it was announced that the idea was to release and
get bug reports so that they wouldn't have an avalanche when it finally
was released. I understood that and have gone back to KDE3 on boxes
where it's been problematical and getting in the way of what I need to
do - with KDE4 qjackctl, VirtualBox, yast2 from the commandline and
others get stuck in FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE when run as root, but are fine as
user and when run as root across a ssh -X connection, with KDE3 they all
works fine.

> > Sure some features need to be done by it's maintainers, e.g. disabling
> > beagle by default is done easily by everyone but still the maintainers
> > should be convinced by arguments not by one line patches. Same goes for
> > pulseaudio and the like. I don't have any sound problems on factory though,
> > so I wonder why pulseaudio is still a problem to some.
I have problems with pulseaudio as can bee seem from previous posts
where audio in firefox doesn't play and likewise "aplay /jet.wav" is
silent, but gmplayer and kaffeine with my TV card is fine. Can't
untangle that one and the one suggestion to remove ~/.pulse* doesn't work.

> > Greetings, Stephan
> Do you not think that some of these so called features should maybe have NOT 
> been included to start with when they were/are so bug ridden .
>
> You would think someone would install and run the stuff to check thru it 
> before actually sticking it out for release (all be it a strangley named 
> Alpha 
> release) there should still be a certain amount of  QA carried out to check 
> that the stuff actually meets reasonable standards of reliability  and 
> usability 
>
> Pete .

I must say that most problems crept in at late Alpha through Milestone 3.
Regards
Sid.

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