3 Jul
2009
3 Jul
'09
19:49
Vladimir Nadvornik wrote: > On čt 2. července 2009, Cristian Morales Vega wrote: >> 2009/7/2 Luis Medinas: >>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Marcus Meissner wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 06:02:23PM +0100, Luis Medinas wrote: >>>>> 2009/7/2 Vladimir Nadvornik : >>>>>> I have just verified that bug 226019 is still a problem. With >>>>>> cdrecord from home:/hennichodernich/ on 11.1 I am not able to burn a >>>>>> cd, unless I kill hald-addon-storage. I could reproduce it with all >>>>>> LG devices that I tested. This particular device was 'DVDRAM GSA-U10N >>>>>> '. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, cdrecord from that package is installed with suid root. I am >>>>>> quite sure that our security team won't like it. >>>>> Is there a way we can fix this without patching cdrtools ? >>>> Free software wants to be patched. Sorry. >>> The problem isn't patching at all but it's about maintaining patches >>> that won't be accepted upstream. >> Could you summarize the situation for the ones that just arrived? I >> have been reading the discussion from the fork time and the situation >> isn't exactly clear to me. >> - The problem has something to do with cdrtools being relicensed, in >> part, as CDDL. >> - At first only the build system was CDDL, correct? We could have >> "just" changed the build system. Then "real" code was licensed also as >> CDDL, so changing the build system isn't an option anymore. >> - The CDDL is incompatible with the GPL... but cdrtools mixes them???? >> - The Wikipedia says Ubuntu asked Eben Moglen and he said Ubuntu could >> not distribute cdrtools. > > cdrtools contains code that was written by Joerg: cdrecord, low-level scsi > library (libscg), build system (smake). This code is now under CDDL. > It contains also code that stays under GPL, because Joerg does not have the > copyright - mkisofs. Mkisofs is linked with libscg - this is probably OK, > and built with smake - this is not OK according to Debian. Joerg wrote, that > it is OK according to Sun lawyers. > >> ...so, can openSUSE distribute cdrtools with patches? Why? can >> openSUSE distribute cdrtools without patches? Why? >> Are openSUSE specific patches perhaps acceptable in the GPL code but >> no in the CDDL code? > > Joerg seems to think that every patch, that is not approved by him, has > negative effect on his reputation. GPL preamble says that it aims to > protect original author's reputation. Thus the patches are illegal. > > I don't know what arguments he has for the CDDL code. I have never tried to > patch this. > >> If openSUSE can distribute cdrtools without patches but no with >> them... exactly what is the problem for which upstream doesn't wants >> to accept patches? > > As Sid Boyce wrote, Joerg disagrees on the way Linux handles scsi devices. > Every problem is a bug in Linux, according to him. > >> What are the problems with cdrkit? Latest release is from 2008/10/26 >> and the latest change in SVN is from 49 days ago. Not exactly the most >> active project but neither seems dead. > > Measured by new features, cdrtools is developed at least 50x faster. I guess > Joerg works full time on it since the fork. > > > Vladimir He's developing his own branch of openSolaris called SchilliX and it seems he's equally dismissive there of anything that doesn't follow his lead. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org