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[Sid Boyce <sboyce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Vladimir Nadvornik wrote:
> On �t 2. �ervence 2009, Cristian Morales Vega wrote:
> > 2009/7/2 Luis Medinas<medinas.luis@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Marcus Meissner<meissner@xxxxxxx>  wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 06:02:23PM +0100, Luis Medinas wrote:
> > > > > 2009/7/2 Vladimir Nadvornik<nadvornik@xxxxxxx>:
> > > > > > I have just verified that bug 226019 is still a problem. With
> > > > > > cdrecord from home:/hennichodernich/ on 11.1 I am not able to burn a
> > > > > > cd, unless I kill hald-addon-storage. I could reproduce it with all
> > > > > > LG devices that I tested. This particular device was 'DVDRAM GSA-U10N
> > > > > > '.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, cdrecord from that package is installed with suid root. I am
> > > > > > quite sure that our security team won't like it.
> > > > > Is there a way we can fix this without patching cdrtools ?
> > > > Free software wants to be patched. Sorry.
> > > The problem isn't patching at all but it's about maintaining patches
> > > that won't be accepted upstream.
> > Could you summarize the situation for the ones that just arrived? I
> > have been reading the discussion from the fork time and the situation
> > isn't exactly clear to me.
> > - The problem has something to do with cdrtools being relicensed, in
> > part, as CDDL.
> > - At first only the build system was CDDL, correct? We could have
> > "just" changed the build system. Then "real" code was licensed also as
> > CDDL, so changing the build system isn't an option anymore.
> > - The CDDL is incompatible with the GPL... but cdrtools mixes them????
> > - The Wikipedia says Ubuntu asked Eben Moglen and he said Ubuntu could
> > not distribute cdrtools.
>
> cdrtools contains code that was written by Joerg: cdrecord, low-level scsi
> library (libscg), build system (smake). This code is now under CDDL.
> It contains also code that stays under GPL, because Joerg does not have the
> copyright - mkisofs. Mkisofs is linked with libscg - this is probably OK,
> and built with smake - this is not OK according to Debian. Joerg wrote, that
> it is OK according to Sun lawyers.
>
> > ...so, can openSUSE distribute cdrtools with patches? Why? can
> > openSUSE distribute cdrtools without patches? Why?
> > Are openSUSE specific patches perhaps acceptable in the GPL code but
> > no in the CDDL code?
>
> Joerg seems to think that every patch, that is not approved by him, has
> negative effect on his reputation. GPL preamble says that it aims to
> protect original author's reputation. Thus the patches are illegal.
>
> I don't know what arguments he has for the CDDL code. I have never tried to
> patch this.
>
> > If openSUSE can distribute cdrtools without patches but no with
> > them... exactly what is the problem for which upstream doesn't wants
> > to accept patches?
>
> As Sid Boyce wrote, Joerg disagrees on the way Linux handles scsi devices.
> Every problem is a bug in Linux, according to him.
>
> > What are the problems with cdrkit? Latest release is from 2008/10/26
> > and the latest change in SVN is from 49 days ago. Not exactly the most
> > active project but neither seems dead.
>
> Measured by new features, cdrtools is developed at least 50x faster. I guess
> Joerg works full time on it since the fork.
>
>
> Vladimir

He's developing his own branch of openSolaris called SchilliX and it 
seems he's equally dismissive there of anything that doesn't follow his 
lead.
Regards
Sid.
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