Am Donnerstag 18 Juni 2009 schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:
Stephan Kulow schrieb:
Am Donnerstag 18 Juni 2009 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Coolo's call in this case - and I support the proposal to go to the new versions and ship them even as betas if needed (and consider updating them via online update after release). But this is quite an exception!
Exception on what base? Sorry, rules are rules and the 11.2 window really is large enough not to need exceptions for the case of it. And of course development versions have less testers, so there will always be less bugs in the development version than in the released version.
Ok, I don't care too much as the need for having to rely on openSUSE "base" is declining.
Anyway could you please point me to the rules you are referring to?
So to make that clear one more time we are talking about updating MozillaThunderbird and seamonkey to beta versions in worst case before openSUSE will enter feature freeze. Either we do that and allow beta versions what we did pretty often in the past (especially by introducing alpha quality package management which obviously wasn't named alpha or beta) or the other alternative would be to drop MozillaThunderbird and seamonkey from Factory _now_ as I'm pretty sure that security support will be completely stopped once Thunderbird 3 and seamonkey 2 got released as it's already only limited support since Firefox 2 went out of maintenance upstream. I would choose the former but if that's not possible I would choose the latter (if I were you or your security team).
The rules are about version updates and we need to be aware on what base we grant exceptions because "we can discuss it" is not a rule - we have way too many packages to make it feasible to discuss with me about updating them. And this is basically what I want to avoid: having rules clearly expressing the cases and as you say yourself: the openSUSE release is just a base, still many people don't do updates, so I don't want to ship beta versions if there aren't really, really good reasons. And not having security updates for a package that surely depends on it, is a good reason. Case closed and discussion archived hereby :) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org