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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: What should be on the DVD and what's fine online only?
- From: Stephen Michael Kellat <skellat@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:41:42 -0700
- Message-id: <4A1C29D6.5090100@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
I've already been trying to build a disc using Studio so that I can load
machines that aren't networked here. Internet access in the Las Vegas
Valley can mysteriously disappear for the strangest of reasons for
extended periods. While I normally load boxen with the network
installer, I try to have a standard toolkit ready if needed if network
access is gone. Things I routinely use aren't found on the DVD but my
use pattern is hardly regular.
The only reason I could see for putting anything on Blu-Ray disc would
be for establishing local mirrors in places like American Samoa. I left
American Samoa in March 2007. The island's access to the outside world
is restricted to the equivalent of a single T-1 line. Dial-up is fairly
common and while that is great for using Lynx to browse the web, it is
not cool for downloading packages. Routinely pushing a stack of discs
via the US Postal Service there, since carriers like UPS and FedEx let
alone DHL don't serve there, would allow mirror maintenance.
For deciding what to put on the DVD, the question that must be asked is
what the profile of the average openSUSE user is. Excess documentation,
fonts, and tools should be moved to download only.
SMK
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Greg Freemyer wrote:
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machines that aren't networked here. Internet access in the Las Vegas
Valley can mysteriously disappear for the strangest of reasons for
extended periods. While I normally load boxen with the network
installer, I try to have a standard toolkit ready if needed if network
access is gone. Things I routinely use aren't found on the DVD but my
use pattern is hardly regular.
The only reason I could see for putting anything on Blu-Ray disc would
be for establishing local mirrors in places like American Samoa. I left
American Samoa in March 2007. The island's access to the outside world
is restricted to the equivalent of a single T-1 line. Dial-up is fairly
common and while that is great for using Lynx to browse the web, it is
not cool for downloading packages. Routinely pushing a stack of discs
via the US Postal Service there, since carriers like UPS and FedEx let
alone DHL don't serve there, would allow mirror maintenance.
For deciding what to put on the DVD, the question that must be asked is
what the profile of the average openSUSE user is. Excess documentation,
fonts, and tools should be moved to download only.
SMK
______________________________________________
Stephen Michael Kellat, MSLS
Interim Coordinator, LISNews Netcast Network
http://www.lisnews.org/podcast
http://erielookingproductions.info
http://twitter.com/alpacaherder
http://identi.ca/alpacaherder
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Am Dienstag 26 Mai 2009 schrieb Randall R Schulz:
Anyway, Internet-based video delivery is becoming a reality. If theWhy would someone who uses internet based video delivery download a 25GB
networking providers will get off their bums and start providing true
high-speed Internet to the home, this will be no different than
downloading a DVD is for someone with today's "high-speed" Internet.
So perhaps it's a bit ahead of its time, but hopefully not much.
medium with 90% software he never uses and wait for the download to finish
to start installation if he can do a network installation right away and
only download what he needs in the same video delivery speed?
Greetings, Stephan
There are a surprising number of labs, etc. which have zero internet
connectivity.
They would need to download the ISO containing everything they will
need, then burn the disks and sneaker net it over to the restricted
part of there operation.
I don't know if any of those people need a full 100% functional
release, but I do think the day will come when a blue ray iso will
make sense.
FYI: we do have machines that function that way, but we now boot them
off of a custom studio boot CD. So for our lab, we are doing fine.
And thank you to the suse-studio folks!
That actually brings up a relevant idea. Can a studio CD/DVD be used
to install from? Upgrade from? If so, even the people trying to
install opensuse without internet access could use the studio to build
a custom boot cd / dvd with just their needs represented.
Greg
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