Guess what? zypper dup forgot to update everything correctly. First off it decided to install kde3 and leave off the toolbar and start button. It did supply the gray line at the bottom. However, there is no menus, and pager. There is the normal desktop Icons. It also defaults X to kde3 now. I have noticed that the toolbar must function because thing I have started end up there and are not seen. kdebase3-3.5.10-22.7 kdebase4-4.2.2-79.25 This is a openSuSE 11.2 system. What parts of KDE3 are missing causing the blank toolbar. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email:" n5xwb@windstream.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : " n5xwb@arrl.net " VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador " http://counter.li.org " #279316 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org