Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (340 mails)

[Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@xxxxxxx>]

Hi,

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Stefan Dirsch wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 04:13:05AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> > > Stefan Dirsch wrote:

> > > > I don't see what the openSUSE community can do here. ATI is only
> > > > interested in bugs, if they affect and being reported by big vendors
> > > > like e.g. HP. But these big vendors are only interested in using
> > > > SLES/SLED.
> > > Hmm..
> > >
> > >    Stefan, I'm not sure I follow here. Isn't openSuSE the forerunner for 
> > > what
> > > will end up in SLES/SLED? If so, it just seems to make more sense from a
> > > quality assurance perspective to address any issues at the beta (openSuSE)
> > > stage before they end up having to (react) to problems with SLES/SLED. The
> > > proactive/reactive issue. Moving the bug identification/resolution a bit
> > > further upstream if you will.
> > >
> > >    The absolute crushing blow ATI is dealing its users by dropping support 
> > > for
> > > all R300-R500 cards is simply amazing. Nvidia still provides support for 
> > > all it
> > > cards with the legacy driver. If there is ever a contact at ATI it would be
> > > worth suggesting a similar "legacy driver". That just seems like common 
> > > sense.
> > > But then that too is uncommon in todays world. (i.e. a global economy 
> > > built on
> > > "credit default swaps" -- give me a break...)
> > >
> > >    Hopefully we can find someone with a fglrx.com email address that will
> > > entertain some candid feedback and suggestions instead of the current 
> > > "linux
> > > driver feedback" which from what I can tell == /dev/null
> >
> > If you're interested in becoming a beta tester for the fglrx driver,
> > just let me know. Then you can play the proxy between the openSUSE
> > community and ATI and will notice that ATI ignores the feedback of
> > beta testers as well.
        
> Oh, Great?!
>
>       That's encouraging...
>
>       It seems that ATI commitment to its Linux driver program is 
> superficial at best. That's is the real bottom line here. It's a "take 
> what you get" mentality. All of it's great lip service about wanting 
> "Linux Driver Feedback" and "being interest" in resolving driver issues, 
> is not worth the silicon its written on.
>
>       You have worked far more of these issues than I have, and we have 
> worked issues together through bugzilla at lease since late 2007, but I 
> have never in my life seen the absolute ignoring of Linux user driver 
> problems than I have in the past 6-8 months. As mentioned, I have filed 
> ATI feedback cases on every single release since 8-10, provided all 
> logs, confs, hardware specks, and it is very apparent that ATI hasn't 
> lifted a finger to even try and identify the issue. The only finger 
> lifted was to hit the [del] key.
>
>       It has had a positive impact though. I will never purchase another 
> laptop with ATI hardware in it.

ATI is part of AMD now, and point one they have claimed to "open" ATI 
driver development (whatever that means), and point two SUSE has excellent 
(in communication at least) connections to AMD.

So just let's wait and hope, and later infringe SUSE if necessary.


Viele Grüße
Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@xxxxxxx, em@xxxxxxx)

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Eberhard Mönkeberg
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