Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (341 mails)

[Alberto Passalacqua <alberto.passalacqua@xxxxxx>]

> I don't need any proof about problems related to PA -- it has been (and
> is still being) extensively commented upstream but...

Well, sometime it seemed the opposite from this discussion ;-)

> I personally don't care much about PA (in the same way as I don't care
> much about the kernel). I do think it's the right solution in the
> long-term, though (but as I already said, there are currently some quite
> important bugs there).

I agree, and you know that I like the ideas behind PA. But for two
releases it caused more pain than benefits. And anyway, we are here
discussing of a reversible change: PA can already be disabled in YaST,
with consequences on apps, of course, but many users simply uninstalled
it to get their sound to work.

> Anyway, trying to be a bit more constructive. To be able to really
> disable PA, say, two months before the release, we need:
>
>  + a way to monitor the issues with PA. A bugzilla query looks like the
>    obvious candidate.
>    => note that we can cooperate with PA upstream there by making those
>       issues known upstream.

Looks good to me

>  + determine some criteria which would help decide if it should be
>    disabled by default. (eg: "I can't listen to my music with
>    amarok/banshee/rhythmbox")

Right. We should also fix a sort of deadline to decide. So that if PA is
acceptable and the current problems are fixed at some point in the
development phase, the idea of disabling it is dropped (no idea if
KDE@opensuse wants to keep it though).

>  + list all the packages that hard-depends on PA and see how hard/easy
>    it would be to make them work without PA.

Yes. This is probably necessary only for GNOME applications. KDE 4 is
not going to use PA by default upstream. But we are limited to open
applications. And we know some closed key application has actually
problems with PA. It's annoying, but we should account for them too
because users want to be able to use them without relying on too many
hacks.

>  + have patches ready for those, and see if upstream would accept them.
>    => at the moment, it looks like GNOME upstream wouldn't accept such
>       patches, fwiw.

>  + people testing the distribution without PA to make sure everything is
>    fine.
>    => but then, we have less people testing the distribution with PA,
>       which is also bad...

Finding people to test the distribution without PA won't be hard I
think, but limiting the damage done to the one with PA will be probably
harder.

Regards,
A.

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