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Re: [opensuse-factory] Disable PulseAudio by default
- From: Alberto Passalacqua <alberto.passalacqua@xxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:43:26 -0600
- Message-id: <1235443406.6015.31.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Please. I won't say there's no bug in PA but your statement is, hrm,
not completely true. How can you say "there are at least 36 bugs that
are quite annoying" when 12 bugs in this list are NEEDINFO and when some
bugs are not related to pulseaudio or are not annoying (because your
query is just about bugs mentioning PA somewhere).
Now, this discussion started as a constructive proposal to disable a
feature that, like it or not, is causing more problems than benefits. If
you want proofs, you simply need some research on Google to find out
what is the size of the problem.
The same PA developers write on their website
( http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio ) :
"The PulseAudio daemon and utilities are still under heavy development.
Although they are generally considered stable, they haven't seen enough
testing to warrant a first completely stable release."
The list of things you should do to have a perfect audio setup, which is
not complete (for example the tricks suggested for some application
don't work), gives an idea of how complicated it can be to live with it
So, frankly speaking, it is hard to believe that openSUSE, with all the
efforts they can put at it, can fix PulseAudio and resolve all its
problems. It would be a waste of precious resources too, probably.
Moreover, openSUSE is pushing PulseAudio also inside KDE, which won't
integrate it anytime soon, and which plans to rely on their own stuff
(See Aseigo opinion on PulseAudio in merit).
At this point, if we want to weight every single word of each statement,
we can do it and write a never ending thread, as it often happens here.
But I think it would be better to discuss without poking each other with
pre-assumed positions. On my side, it doesn't really matter if PA is
there or not, as long as the system works as it should, which is not
what is happening now for many.
To answer Greg: it is practically impossible to expect that every user
that tries the distribution and has a problem reports it on bugzilla.
Many simply search for help on IRC or on forums, and if they can't fix
their problem, they simply look elsewhere. It is quite dangerous to
ignore their feedback however, even if not formally done on bugzilla,
because it simply helps to alienate users. People in IRC and forums can
give this kind of "collective feedback", which is not helpful to fix
bugs, I know, but it has to be accounted for when you decide to push
something inside the distribution.
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