Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (422 mails)

[Basil Chupin <blchupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Space Case wrote:
> On Jan 28,  1:34pm, Daniel Fuhrmann wrote:
> } Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] The frustration of updating
>   
> > Am Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 11:14:54 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
> >     
> > > you really know how to comfort :)
> > >       
> > Sorry :(
> >
> > There are only few who complain about inconsistent updates because of 
> > timeout.
> >     
>
> Just to jump on the dogpile here...  I have over 9400 packages on my system.  
> A major update
> will refresh nearly half of those, and I end up downloading about 4GB.  
> Fortunately, major
> updates happen at most once a week.  Though I'm on cable, it still takes 8-10 
> hours to do
> all the downloads, and I frequently find that things have changed in the 
> meantime (sometimes
> even when I'm only updating several hundred packages).
>
> I use a package manager that downloads everything before installing (smart).  
> When it didn't
> get all the packages because they've changed, it's a simple matter to rescan 
> the repositories,
> redo the update list, then start the downloads again.

Which is why I have been using smart for some time - and today installed
it on my "working" system (and the first thing it did was find more
updates which the default openSUSE showed weren't in existence).

But before I did this this morning I started an update of 11.1 (with
KDE4.2) using zypper.

Some 15 minutes after I did this I had to go out to do some shopping
with my wife and when I came back I found that zypper had been sitting
for an hour or so waiting for a manual input from me to confirm that
that an Error had occurred and then an input from me about I wanted to
do about the error.

Responding to the error message finally finished the download of the
rest of the RPMs (after some 30+ minutes).

*ONE*, repeat *1*,  RPM from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/....  held up the whole of the
download process in this update "cycle"!

What a waste of damn time and resources!

smart on the other hand simply downloads whatever RPM/s are downloadable
and if it/they are not downloadable smart skips it/them and continues
with downloading the rest. You then restart smart to download the missed
RPMs when, for example, you come back from shopping or wake up in the
morning and see that the task hasn't been completed.

Intelligence at work.


>   Sometimes I have to repeat the process
> before getting everything needed to install, but each time it's an order of 
> magnitude less
> packages that have to be downloaded than the time before.  And it seldom 
> takes more than a
> couple of days.
>
> I'm sure that most peoples' systems are not nearly so heavily laden as mine, 
> so surely it's
> not an insurmountable task for those on slower links to enjoy at least a 
> weekly update.
>   

Those who have put zypper/zypp/whatever together have done so without
having any practical experience of using a system which relies on
real-life internet connections with ISPs through either dial-up
connection or even broadband. All they know is what they experience
while working with a computer sitting a few metres from them on the same
LAN cable. Sad.

Ciao.


-- 
"I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I 
mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the 
other three, I drop him."
                                              Confucius


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