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Re: [opensuse-factory] Plan for 11.2? - smolt?
- From: "Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:20:58 +0100 (CET)
- Message-id: <alpine.LSU.2.00.0901161356140.17253@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 13:40 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
- Because the people insterested in getting good and reliable stats are
the distributors, not the users.
- Because I din't find how, I'm not aquainted with fedora, I don't have
an account with their bugzilla, and I didn't find it. (1)
- It has taken me "years" to become aquainted with Novell's bugzilla, how
to express my points, how to argue them. I can't do the same with
fedorans, and I will be ignored.
- Because I'm not an expert in Smolt, and I find the documentation very
lacking (and no, I can not write docs if I'm not an expert). And not
being an expert, I can not argue my point with them.
- Why do I have to report a problem upstream, when we report all problems
found to Novell's Bugzilla? Surely you don't want us to subscribe to
the billion bug reporting systems upstream of all packages?
And I still think that /etc/cron.daily/ is a SuSE feature, as the /usr/lib/cron/run-crons is "Copyright (c) 1998-2001 SuSE GmbH Nuernberg".
Undocumented.
Do you mean that if I manually send data somehow it runs insserv on smolt?
(1) The link for reporting upstream is <https://fedorahosted.org/smolt/report>.
It says: «Note: See TracReports for help on using and creating reports.»
That help text in unintelible for me, almost like programesse. Without 'almost':
]Example: All active tickets, sorted by priority and time ]
] SELECT id AS ticket, status, severity, priority, owner,
] time as created, summary FROM ticket
] WHERE status IN ('new', 'assigned', 'reopened')
] ORDER BY priority, time
How on earth am I going to use that?
There is also a "Help/Guide" button on top, which takes me to a «The Trac User and Administration Guide». Administration!?
Im sorry, but that sent me running for my life, and I'm not going back there. :-/
Just compare to <http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports> and <http://en.opensuse.org/Bug_Reporting_FAQ>. Home, sweet home!
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 13:40 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
Carlos E. R. wrote:
There is a problem with this: even if you keep using the same machine[...]
and installation for a year, you will be removed from the database,
unless you manually update it periodically.
I opened a bugzilla so that Novell changes the cron job to
/etc/cron.daily/, but it has been dismissed. No, I will not report
upstream, this is a packaging problem here, IMO: the /etc/cron.daily/ is
a SuSE feature, AFAIK.
It is not. This is a bug in the handling of smolt. Why wont you report
it upstream?
- Because the people insterested in getting good and reliable stats are
the distributors, not the users.
- Because I din't find how, I'm not aquainted with fedora, I don't have
an account with their bugzilla, and I didn't find it. (1)
- It has taken me "years" to become aquainted with Novell's bugzilla, how
to express my points, how to argue them. I can't do the same with
fedorans, and I will be ignored.
- Because I'm not an expert in Smolt, and I find the documentation very
lacking (and no, I can not write docs if I'm not an expert). And not
being an expert, I can not argue my point with them.
- Why do I have to report a problem upstream, when we report all problems
found to Novell's Bugzilla? Surely you don't want us to subscribe to
the billion bug reporting systems upstream of all packages?
And I still think that /etc/cron.daily/ is a SuSE feature, as the /usr/lib/cron/run-crons is "Copyright (c) 1998-2001 SuSE GmbH Nuernberg".
There is also a /etc/init.d/smolt service, purpose unknown, and
dissabled by default.
This triggers if data gets sent by smoltSendProfile or not.
Undocumented.
Do you mean that if I manually send data somehow it runs insserv on smolt?
(1) The link for reporting upstream is <https://fedorahosted.org/smolt/report>.
It says: «Note: See TracReports for help on using and creating reports.»
That help text in unintelible for me, almost like programesse. Without 'almost':
]Example: All active tickets, sorted by priority and time ]
] SELECT id AS ticket, status, severity, priority, owner,
] time as created, summary FROM ticket
] WHERE status IN ('new', 'assigned', 'reopened')
] ORDER BY priority, time
How on earth am I going to use that?
There is also a "Help/Guide" button on top, which takes me to a «The Trac User and Administration Guide». Administration!?
Im sorry, but that sent me running for my life, and I'm not going back there. :-/
Just compare to <http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports> and <http://en.opensuse.org/Bug_Reporting_FAQ>. Home, sweet home!
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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