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Re: [opensuse-factory] Plan for 11.2?
- From: "Matt Sealey" <matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:49:19 -0600
- Message-id: <b5e2fc790901151049o66b820c0mbdecafbfc4d8832b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Birger Kollstrand
<birger.kollstrand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It's a shame nobody wanted to port APUS to arch/powerpc or you'd be
able to run OpenSUSE 11.1 on it if I had my way :D
I don't ACTUALLY have an A3000 anymore (and my A1200 died a hell of a
long time ago, I sold the BlizzardPPC) - the Efika is the true
successor of Amiga APUS anyway :]
Newer software is one thing - after all KDE and GNOME and Compiz and
advanced X11 acceleration stuff, might need a lot of resources. But
this is all stuff that can be turned off. What tends to happen is it's
enabled because most people have Intel, nVidia or ATI graphics cards,
use binary drivers or the very latest thing, and the resource
requirements spur development on applications which will only run
within the common configuration of these systems.
This is not to mention the fact that stuff like Via Unichrome (which
Via are still making and pushing for their Nano platform!) simply
doesn't work right, sadder even that the original developer of the
driver works at Novell :(
In the end these are performance-limited and resource-constrained
systems, very similar to Netbooks which WILL be the big purchase this
year, and all of which are generally thought of as "won't have a dream
of running Vista, so try a stripped down XP" and Linux is used as the
alternative option.
In actual fact, Linux is absolutely no better, since it is following
Vista, and no Linux distribution actually scales back as far as these
boards are marketed (none of the Big Three anyway. DSL would, Debian
(not Ubuntu) works pretty well. But they ARE competitive and they ARE
here, and the support is really not there with it.
If you can build a distribution that runs well on a Netbook, it will
gladly run just as well, if not better, on larger systems. It's
distributions like Ubuntu etc. which do not quite "get" this - rather
than improve the main distribution they are looking at ways to roll
out a special custom pack of features which would actually benefit far
more people.
If you've ever played with the Netbook Remix stuff, Maximus is one of
the neatest things I've used on a desktop PC in a long time.
Maximizing windows and keeping them mixed in a tab is great. All it
needs is a little flip-in sidebar (I guess like Vista or Google
Gadgets) so that windows that are NOT suitable for maximizing (Pidgin
buddy list is a good one, although a reworked buddy list would be
better) can sit in there and stay nice and slim. But this is a good
example too of why they don't get it - not all apps are meant to be
1280x800 pixels big. Nobody is actually giving the apps themselves any
attention, they're just wrapping MORE in-development stuff around
existing problems.
The little drag and drop desktop icon definitely needs to be rolled
into GNOME proper so we can drag things out of our apps onto the
"desktop" even if it's hidden. On KDE, this is sort of solved by there
being no proper desktop and having a Plasmoid for it all. And the
launcher - well, it's far prettier and far more useful than the
standard GNOME launcher, which I must say is still top of my list of
great things in GNOME (top of a list of 3, though, let's not go
overboard :)
--
Matt Sealey <matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Genesi, Manager, Developer Relations
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<birger.kollstrand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
2009/1/15 Larry Stotler <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>:
I know several people who still use 68k Macs on a daily
basis.
I even fire up my old A3000 every now and then just for fun, but not
on OpenSuse 11.1 :-)
It's a shame nobody wanted to port APUS to arch/powerpc or you'd be
able to run OpenSUSE 11.1 on it if I had my way :D
I don't ACTUALLY have an A3000 anymore (and my A1200 died a hell of a
long time ago, I sold the BlizzardPPC) - the Efika is the true
successor of Amiga APUS anyway :]
From my point of view it´s ok to increase the requirements for newer
SW. If that´s not an option for a specific configuration then it
should revert to using older distros/kernels.
Newer software is one thing - after all KDE and GNOME and Compiz and
advanced X11 acceleration stuff, might need a lot of resources. But
this is all stuff that can be turned off. What tends to happen is it's
enabled because most people have Intel, nVidia or ATI graphics cards,
use binary drivers or the very latest thing, and the resource
requirements spur development on applications which will only run
within the common configuration of these systems.
This is not to mention the fact that stuff like Via Unichrome (which
Via are still making and pushing for their Nano platform!) simply
doesn't work right, sadder even that the original developer of the
driver works at Novell :(
In the end these are performance-limited and resource-constrained
systems, very similar to Netbooks which WILL be the big purchase this
year, and all of which are generally thought of as "won't have a dream
of running Vista, so try a stripped down XP" and Linux is used as the
alternative option.
In actual fact, Linux is absolutely no better, since it is following
Vista, and no Linux distribution actually scales back as far as these
boards are marketed (none of the Big Three anyway. DSL would, Debian
(not Ubuntu) works pretty well. But they ARE competitive and they ARE
here, and the support is really not there with it.
It can´t be expected that one system shall rule them all.
If you can build a distribution that runs well on a Netbook, it will
gladly run just as well, if not better, on larger systems. It's
distributions like Ubuntu etc. which do not quite "get" this - rather
than improve the main distribution they are looking at ways to roll
out a special custom pack of features which would actually benefit far
more people.
If you've ever played with the Netbook Remix stuff, Maximus is one of
the neatest things I've used on a desktop PC in a long time.
Maximizing windows and keeping them mixed in a tab is great. All it
needs is a little flip-in sidebar (I guess like Vista or Google
Gadgets) so that windows that are NOT suitable for maximizing (Pidgin
buddy list is a good one, although a reworked buddy list would be
better) can sit in there and stay nice and slim. But this is a good
example too of why they don't get it - not all apps are meant to be
1280x800 pixels big. Nobody is actually giving the apps themselves any
attention, they're just wrapping MORE in-development stuff around
existing problems.
The little drag and drop desktop icon definitely needs to be rolled
into GNOME proper so we can drag things out of our apps onto the
"desktop" even if it's hidden. On KDE, this is sort of solved by there
being no proper desktop and having a Plasmoid for it all. And the
launcher - well, it's far prettier and far more useful than the
standard GNOME launcher, which I must say is still top of my list of
great things in GNOME (top of a list of 3, though, let's not go
overboard :)
That said, please keep up the good work to avoid bloat!
--
Matt Sealey <matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Genesi, Manager, Developer Relations
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