Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (581 mails)

[Oddball <monkey9@xxxxxx>]

Kevin Dupuy schreef:
> On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 10:02 +0100, Oddball wrote:
>   
> > Helas i am also experiencing this atitude more and more lately...
> > I can imagine that these things are caused by the fact that far to few
> > people have to make things happen, as the aimed effect of M$, when it
> > took over SUSE from Novell earlier...(if you cann't beat them, buy
> > them).. seems they are closer to their goal now...: shut-, or at least,
> > slow down the speed of the developments of the openSUSE team...
> >     
>
> Uh... what? Are you seriously bringing up the dead horse of Microsoft
> again? How exactly would you purport that the openSUSE development is
> getting worse?
>   
No not worse, just less people to do the the job than before..
About dead horses: They become smellier when dead longer....
as we all are dependable on the laws of cause and effect...

>   
> > Many people felt SUSE has become part of the 'enemy' now, and turned to
> > other distros..( a very nasty, and well-aimed side-effect)
> >     
>
> This was an early act of some radicals that apparently didn't bother to
> look up and believe the openSUSE devs when they said that nothing would
> change in the OS being free because of the deal.
>   
It was not about the OS being free, but people that go away do not come
back easy...
Large profits have been made by Novell last year in the linux division...
as effect of the M$ deal...

>   
> > So to few people, that have to make/want too many changes at once, which
> > is always almost impossible, but with this scenario, most certainly,
> > have to be aware of that, get used to that new fact, and act according
> > to it, (untill things change for the better again, if, in the worst
> > case, that will ever happen...)
> > What would be the most wanted right now, is creating the circumstances
> > to gain trust, and work hard.
> > (don't turn against people that want to help, and stay loyal, even now.
> > Everyone reacting in the mailinglists, means to help, from their point
> > of vieuw.
> > Sometimes that causes extra stress..
> > But it is all energy, to be bent, or transformed to be usefull.. ;)
> >
> >
> > Now the bugs that had to be out after alpha stage, appear in the last
> > betas, and the rc's..
> > This is not what we all wanted, i guess..
> >
> > If we want to turn this tide, there is only one solution: stick
> > together, and DONOT want to make more changes than can be handled, to
> > close to rc stage...
> > Plan changes carefully, don't take too much hay on the fork, so to speak...
> >
> > Please take these words to hearth, they are meant to heal, not to hurt.. ;)
> >     
>
> Now this is confusing. You implied that you were upset about the
> openSUSE development being hurt, but here you're talking about testers
> being turned away, etc., which does not involve the openSUSE
> development. Are you referring to the development of SLED or openSUSE?
>   
Not only testers went away..
I am not upset, i just register the facts that lead to a situation, and
point a way out..
It is all about energy, and how to transform it to have usefull effect,
instead of a destroying one, nothing more..

Forget it, it might not be suitable for a large mailinglist..

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