Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (581 mails)

["Quentin Jackson" <Quentin.Jackson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Interesting how when I put down real issues below, with real effort I get not a 
single response, not even one.  Or did no-one notice my comments?  I'm 
screaming out to help here.

Q

> > > Quentin Jackson 12/05/08 12:23 PM >>>
> > > Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx> 12/04/08 8:30 PM >>>
Am Donnerstag 04 Dezember 2008 schrieb Quentin Jackson:

> I don't have an Intel GFX card but yes if that is happening it is a big
> mistake.  Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone responsible for
> fixing this 'big picture' stuff, or maybe they're only interested in
> SLED.  Even though OpenSuSE keeps making big strides with many things
> many of these 'Mistakes' are letting the distribution down making it not
> worth even considering for some people.  Imagine if you had only ever
> tried 11.1, you would go off and tell your friends it didn't even
> support an intel 965 chip.
>
> Hi Quentin,

> You must have different kind of friends than I have. If I tell mine that the 
> 3d performance for an intel 3 numbers chip is not as good as before, they 
> would most likely say "hmm? intel what?"

> Seriously: as you seem to know the details of clever business, perhaps you
> can help out here. We have two options at the moment:
> 1. skip 11.1 release and publish 11.2 in about 8 months hoping that Intel got 
> their drivers ready to support all their chips correctly.
> 2. release 11.1 and basically document that all intel 3 number chips (for 
> certain 3 numbers only of course) have to skip 11.1 and wait for 11.2 in 
> about half a year.

> What's the choice you prefer? You seem to advocate option 1.

> Greetings, Stephan
> P.S. And if you think my mail is unfriendly, read yours again.

I did not mean to be rude or unfriendly and I realise it may have been a bad 
example.  And yes I have many tech friends, and tech friends are who the 
non-techs ask for advice.   I also did say there are good things about 
opensuse, please understand I only want to make things better, we are on the 
same team here and this subject is something I care a lot about and so do many 
others.  I am not interested in ranting about this, I only want to fix the 
issue but to me it seems as though either no-one is listening or I do not know 
how to raise this as an issue properly or perhaps where to raise it. Perhaps 
even there is no-where to raise it?

All I want and I'm sure everyone will agree is a nice stable OS.  As far as 
your options above are concerned I would choose neither, I think 6 months is 
too quick because we don't seem to be able to get a reliable distro out of 6 
months, but as I said that is my opinion.  So at the end of the day I don't 
know if anything can be done, I've made suggestions before, perhaps to the 
wrong places but I've not had any action positive or negative, not even a no we 
can't do that from an authority figure who could approve such a change.  When 
it comes to these high level decisions (which I know should only be made when 
very neccessary) I don't seem to be able to find anyone to talk to.  I 
personally think making a stable OS is neccessary.  

I guess the first issue is to get an agreeance on if there is an issue, without 
that it is pointless.  What I have noticed is that when the distro get's 
delayed a lot of people speak up and say, "That's great, more time before 
release means more bug fixes" showing that a lot of other people care about 
this topic too.  For 11.1 though we let the distro stay in beta longer and 
reduced the RC time to compensate, to me that means more bugs will get in and 
less will get out, if we allow beta's to continue for a longer period of time, 
it shouldn't be at the expense of the RC's where we really throw polish in, 
(again in my opinion).  

So I guess the question there was which is more important, the release schedule 
or the quality of the release?  It seems to me that the release schedule is 
getting more attention than the latter.  

So, does the community get to vote on how this schedule should be?  Who makes 
the decision of the 6 months release schedule?  If we are stuck with 6 months 
how could we do it better?  Can we have clearer guidelines to show what 
'shipstoppers' should be?  Can we broaden the scope of a shipstopper? 

Honestly, if I'm the only one that thinks that this is an issue I'm happy to 
never bring it up again, but I'd bet I'm not.  We could always stick a voting 
panel up on the opensuse main page to find out.

And one last thing, if I offended anyone in the last email, please accept my 
apology.

Q


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