Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (1233 mails)

[Ben Kevan <ben.kevan@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tuesday 11 November 2008 08:17:47 pm you wrote:
> Which other features? Emerald is not a critical piece of software,
> there are three more decorators available, emerald not working does
> not reduce any features provided by Compiz, including pretty
> decorators- use better theme.

How many decorations let me easily manage the size of the taskbar? I couldn't 
figure it out with compiz-decorations (which uses the kde themes). If you 
could explain how I could do this quite easily.. then i'd be more then 
estatic (even this function is quite easy in Windows). 

> Emerald does not have any upstream maintainer, it started out as a
> fork of gnome-window-decorator and has been an ugly beast to keep
> up-to-date, there have been talks of its rewrite many times in past
> with nothing happening in that regards.

So would the gnome-window-decorator patch to with with 0.7.8 w/ NOMAD, work 
for emerald? 

> Nomad is upstream in it's own branch,
> http://gitweb.compiz-fusion.org/?p=compiz;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/nomad-0.7
> .8

So I am guessing.. that's a no? It won't be shipped without haha. 

> Why will it be negative? We have something additional "NOMAD" that
> other distros do not have, you also have choice to run compiz packages
> without nomad patches and working emerald from X11:XGL repo.

It is negative because people don't understand why they don't get emerald in 
this realease, and were not told prior (release notes is not a good place to 
say "why we removed this" also a place to explain what the nomad patch does, 
and how it makes it a better release then what the other distros have.). 
Emerald (if removed) is not the only app that got pulled without warning (ie 
RealPlayer.. i understand it's a licensing issue there, but a warning or 
something on news.opensuse.org would be quite helpful. 

> I suspect 99% of users do not know they can use different decorator
> and do not care if emerald does not exist. Same look/feel can be
> achieved by using gtk/kde3/kde4-window-decorator by using better theme
> anyway.

Many people I know run emerald. 

> Indeed :)
>
> Let's not treat emerald not working as the end of civilization ;)

haha.. I know it's not the end of civilizatoin, but i sure am sad to see it 
go :( .. 

> -J


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