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Re: [opensuse-factory] RealPlayer dropped from openSUSE, why?
- From: Tobias Burnus <burnus@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:33:32 +0100
- Message-id: <490E2ABC.1050209@xxxxxxxx>
Hi,
If I remember correctly (I once had an IRC chat with someone with Real),
the Windows codec licence provider (Microsoft?) requires that the
download of every copy is recorded. That happens if you go to the Real /
Helixplayer webpage and click "download": You get a unique URL for
downloading it.
Thus one seemingly cannot put the Real Player a normal FTP player. There
might be additionally a per-copy royalty problem, I don't know.
In principle, it should be possible to create a package which does not
the Windows codecs, but one can also simply drop the package on the
openSUSE side and every user can download it (also as RPM) from:
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/downloads (Using the real.com
site is also possible.)
Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
I don't think that's the problem - I have not found the Linux version
very intrusive (contrary to the Windows version) and most code of the
Real Player is also released under the GPL (except of the core: The
codecs, which would arguably most useful under an open source release).
I hope that with browsers such as Firefox and Opera supporting HTML5's
<video> and <audio>, the OGG/Theora format will get more widely used by
content providers; currently one has essentially only the choice between
MP3, WMA/WMV, Real, Quicktime or Flash - which have all licence or codec
availability problems. Fortunately, at least OGG audio files/streams
have already got some market share.
Tobias,
who is neither affiliated with Novell/SUSE nor with Real
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Marcus Meissner wrote:
They did talk to each other. I do not know the contract, or the
real result, but was told to me is that it would cost us per-copy
royalties.
If I remember correctly (I once had an IRC chat with someone with Real),
the Windows codec licence provider (Microsoft?) requires that the
download of every copy is recorded. That happens if you go to the Real /
Helixplayer webpage and click "download": You get a unique URL for
downloading it.
Thus one seemingly cannot put the Real Player a normal FTP player. There
might be additionally a per-copy royalty problem, I don't know.
In principle, it should be possible to create a package which does not
the Windows codecs, but one can also simply drop the package on the
openSUSE side and every user can download it (also as RPM) from:
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/downloads (Using the real.com
site is also possible.)
Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
Do I understand you right that if Real would have been less greedy
opensuse would have happily kept on shipping this piece of last-
century/phone-home/let's-squeeze-some-ads-in-there crap and
associating .mp3 and .ogg and what-not to it?
I don't think that's the problem - I have not found the Linux version
very intrusive (contrary to the Windows version) and most code of the
Real Player is also released under the GPL (except of the core: The
codecs, which would arguably most useful under an open source release).
I hope that with browsers such as Firefox and Opera supporting HTML5's
<video> and <audio>, the OGG/Theora format will get more widely used by
content providers; currently one has essentially only the choice between
MP3, WMA/WMV, Real, Quicktime or Flash - which have all licence or codec
availability problems. Fortunately, at least OGG audio files/streams
have already got some market share.
Tobias,
who is neither affiliated with Novell/SUSE nor with Real
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