Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (1210 mails)

[Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Am Sonntag 02 November 2008 schrieb Kevin Dupuy:
> On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 02:06 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega wrote:
> > 2008/11/2 Kevin Dupuy <kevin.dupuy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > > On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:30 +0100, Cristian Morales Vega wrote:
> > > > This one was reported:
> > > > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-09/msg00538.html
> > > > Apparently Liberation Fonts
> > > > (http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/) are seen
> > > > like a good enough open alternative (I have not even tested them, but
> > > > I believe openSUSE).
> > >
> > > I've just downloaded and tested them out, and they're less than
> > > adaquate as a replacement for the agfa-font's Sans as a font for the
> > > interface. In particular to me, the spacing seems off (too close
> > > together) and the bold font (as used on the window title bar) doesn't
> > > look right.
> > >
> > > Is there anyway to bring back agfa-fonts at least until the Liberation
> > > Sans are good enough as a drop-in replacement?
> >
> > Looking at the liberation-fonts package from openSUSE:Factory OBS
> > project I see the package uses version 0.1. Looking at
> > https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liberation-fonts/ seems the
> > latest stable version is 1.04... I know *nothing* about fonts, but if
> > the 0.1 is the first version from the RedHat announcement they lack
> > any hinting information.
> >
> > If there is really a problem (now OBS has the latest versions, true?)
> > I would also look at /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf from fontconfig
> > package. This file disables antialias and autohinting for a list of
> > know good fonts... *perhaps* liberation fonts should be added (perhaps
> > they are already here, I'm not using Factory).
> >
> > I could open a bug report, but I would hit against the version freeze.
> > I suppose coolo is the one that could authorize an exception, but
> > someone with a better understanding of the situation should look at it
> > first.
>
> The version of Liberation Fonts in Factory right now is
> liberation-fonts-0.1-122.3.
Hmm, this looks like something that should not be. Please file a bug.
> Unfortunately, adding Liberation Sans to suse-post-user.conf'slist of
> autohinting and antialiasing-disabled fonts does nothing to help, at
> least to my eyes.
>
> Even if Liberation Fonts are going to be used, there are still two
> issues: (please note I use GNOME, so this is a GNOME-centric list).
> 1. Liberation fonts are not installed by default from the DVD as
> agfa-fonts were.
This looks like a bug too ;(

> 2. Instead of replacing the bad-looking default Sans, Liberation adds
> it's own Liberation Sans font. The downside to this is that GNOME & GDM
> are set by default to use Sans, so the better Liberation font is not
> chosen by default.
What does "fc-match sans" say?
> I'd open a bug report against the fact that Liberation Sans isn't up to
> par with agfa-font Sans yet, and shouldn't be considered as a
> replacement, if we can determine that that's what's needed.

agfa-fonts will be removed in any case (the decision to go with a clear DVD 
EULA is set and agfa-fonts license does not allow ftp distribution). The 
question is only about what the default should be.

Please note that the 11.0 live cds and ftp installations didn't have 
agfa-fonts either and I'm not aware of any complaints.

Greetings, Stephan


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